Brad Miller, John Salmons to Chicago For ... Andres Nocioni, Drew Gooden, Ike Diogu and Cedric Simmons
by Ziller on Feb 18, 2009 2:04 PM PST
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Sam Amick of the Bee, David Aldridge of NBA.com/TNT, Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo!, Marc Stein of ESPN.
All of the incoming players but Nocioni expire this summer.
Nocioni makes $7.5 million next year, $6.8 million in 2010-11, and $6.65 million in 2011-12.
Net cap movement for the Kings: +$3.2 million this season, -$10.2 million next season, +$1 million in 2010-11, and +$6.6 million in 2011-12.
With this deal alone, the Kings can potentially make a play for a $10 million free agent this summer, depending on Mikki Moore et al.
UPDATE: The Kings will need to waive two current players to make room for these new fellows (even if they turn around and waive two new fellows). Sam Cassell would be Option #1 ... Quincy Douby?
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march into expansionism continues
shaqawokeez called it
by fire_voisin on Feb 18, 2009 2:06 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
We're marching into the D League
What FA will we take a stab at? Boozer or Lee? Would the want to come to our horrific team? Who would they start over? Thompson?
by discocricket on Feb 18, 2009 2:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Mmmm...
We are going to be bad for a while, but a lot will depend on the ping-pong balls. If we get the #1 or #2, pair that up with Thompson, Martin and Hawes, and you at least have a nice young core.
Ok, I’m reaching here, but I think the next two years are going to require an exceptional amount of optimism.
Mambo King
by otis29 on Feb 18, 2009 2:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You were going to have that anyway
this trade just extends salary cap hell for longer.
by ForThree on Feb 18, 2009 2:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmmm
So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,
Now set the teeth - and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 18, 2009 2:07 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
pronounced: no see own ee? or no chi own ee?
by wabut on Feb 18, 2009 2:07 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Chi' sound.
So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,
Now set the teeth - and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 18, 2009 2:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Kansas City here we come, right back where we started from.
There now I've met the 75 word count. -pookeyguru
by moproblemz on Feb 18, 2009 2:07 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I thought you started in Rochester
"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy
by Honka Playboy on Feb 18, 2009 2:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
As I said in the Fanshot...
…terrible. Bad. Terribad.
A lonely Kings fan in a sea of gold and purple...
by Jaycee on Feb 18, 2009 2:08 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
meh
At this rate, I bet the team sits on the $10 million. Damn Madoff
by LPKingsFan on Feb 18, 2009 2:08 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
that's
exactly what im afraid of. save 10 million and do nothing with it.
by shadow1480 on Feb 18, 2009 2:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If I understand this correctly
You could look at this as trading Miller for expirings, and Salmons for Nocioni. More comprehensible this way.
by sactown on Feb 18, 2009 2:09 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
That's all well and good...
but it’s still shitty.
by towndunce on Feb 18, 2009 2:10 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
That's how I'm looking at it
Which makes it ludicrous. Net negative value for our best asset. Awesome move Petrie.
by discocricket on Feb 18, 2009 2:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
More like we had to
trade Salmons for Nocioni to get someone to take Miller off our hands. That’s ugly.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Feb 18, 2009 2:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And stupid
Wouldn’t Miller have become a better valued asset next season when he’s expiring? Weren’t we under the tax anyway with the SAR retirement?
by discocricket on Feb 18, 2009 2:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
cost savings
pure cost savings.
Unless Pookie’s guestimate that Miller was becoming a serious locker room problem is more true than I thought.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Feb 18, 2009 2:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Clearly so
I hope those $6000 Carl’s Jr. meals taste good.
by discocricket on Feb 18, 2009 2:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll say it again:
shit.
I mean it…shit.
by towndunce on Feb 18, 2009 2:09 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I guess the nets rumor was bogus.
Because there is no possible way I can comprehend this bulls trade if that offer was quasi-legitimate.
There now I've met the 75 word count. -pookeyguru
by moproblemz on Feb 18, 2009 2:11 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I'm hoping
That somehow this is all being reported incorrectly.
by Aykis16 on Feb 18, 2009 2:12 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I hope we get an update
“The Bulls send their #1 pick to the Kings”
by shadow1480 on Feb 18, 2009 2:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I wish I had Geoff's cell phone number.
I’d really just like to know what the plan is. After watching the rebuild in Portland and what’s going on in OKC, it seems to me that picks and young guys are the way to go. Crappy teams in small markets, regardless of how much money they have, seem to stay crappy teams.
Come on Geoff, give me a call! I need comfort.
A lonely Kings fan in a sea of gold and purple...
by Jaycee on Feb 18, 2009 2:13 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Bad Trade once again
Once again, us fans are disappointed near the trading deadline. I never know why I, along with many others on this board always hope for something positive around this time of year. It never happens. I would have loved to see Miller and Salmons shipped in separate deals. The few past draft picks and signing Kevin to an extension, are the only, and i mean ONLY TWO things the front office has done positive.everything else, GARBAGE
by David24 on Feb 18, 2009 2:14 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Quick question
Do we even have roster space for those people? Wasn’t Sam our 15th spot?
by Aykis16 on Feb 18, 2009 2:14 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Ya but that still leaves us with 14
Now take away 2 and add 4. thats 16.
by Aykis16 on Feb 18, 2009 2:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Geez...now my math's all screwed up too
Shit
by towndunce on Feb 18, 2009 2:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And my spelling
I guess someone will be waived.
by towndunce on Feb 18, 2009 2:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No
he’s not going to report, so there’s still one spot left. got rid of 2, got three. now we got 15 guys (once they waive Cassell.)
by shadow1480 on Feb 18, 2009 2:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If TZ's trade to the wizards happens I will tip my hat to petrie,
but right now I just don’t understand how this all happened, I mean salmons to OKC for an expiring and a pick is better than this.
I hate to jump on the pookey “maloofs are controlling the personnel decisions” but I really cannot understand this any other way.
There now I've met the 75 word count. -pookeyguru
by moproblemz on Feb 18, 2009 2:15 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I actually like this trade.
Shock and HAwes all day and night baby.
I hope Gooden calls in a lot of sick days.
by sdfd on Feb 18, 2009 2:17 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Why do you like taking on Nocioni's deal
for Salmons? I’m curious.
by discocricket on Feb 18, 2009 2:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Gooden actually helps with our pourous rebounding.
Blessings.Love.Peace
by lifestyleforthesellout on Feb 18, 2009 2:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure Natt will play him 40 minutes
And stick JT on the bench.
by nbrans on Feb 18, 2009 2:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
ahhh,
Purgatory.
Blessings.Love.Peace
by lifestyleforthesellout on Feb 18, 2009 2:17 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Most ping pong balls. Suck it Wiz.
Lock it up.
There now I've met the 75 word count. -pookeyguru
by moproblemz on Feb 18, 2009 2:18 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Someone might fail a physical right?
There’s still some hope?
by ForThree on Feb 18, 2009 2:19 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
anyone in chi town
that could pull a tonya harding on noce?
by LPKingsFan on Feb 18, 2009 2:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No doubt.....more will be revealed
but on it’s face it looks like the worst trade GP has ever made.
"We are in the business of kicking butt and business is very, very good." - Charles Barkley
by Bluejohn on Feb 18, 2009 2:20 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Men
You think he could at least have gotten a draft pick out of them. Nocioni is the same age as Salmons and makes about the same money. Doesn’t really address a need aside from the hole created by Salmons leaving or eve make the team better or worse, really. With Diogu and Gooden coming in, is there a deal involving Mikki out there?
Also, Kenny Natt deserves to get booted in the ass if he starts Gooden.
Shut up and Coach
by Carl on Feb 18, 2009 2:20 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Nocioni for Stackhouse?
Would Dallas be interested?
BOOK IT!
by kingme18 on Feb 18, 2009 2:20 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Just for contrast
Here’s the related thread at blogabull. They seem happy. Very happy.
by wabut on Feb 18, 2009 2:21 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
They should be...
this is ridiculous.
There now I've met the 75 word count. -pookeyguru
by moproblemz on Feb 18, 2009 2:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, no wonder Bobby Brown's not playing tonight
I bet Petrie’s going to freakin’ drop Brown.
by CloudyEyes on Feb 18, 2009 2:21 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I'd be surprised
Seems like a tradeable asset
Never forget: I am a complete idiot
by Exhibit G on Feb 18, 2009 3:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather the Kings just trade him to the Hornets for nothing.
Donte? Donte'! Donté?!?!
'spect da 'xtra E'
by iashwash on Feb 18, 2009 4:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
build up some good will
Donte? Donte'! Donté?!?!
'spect da 'xtra E'
by iashwash on Feb 18, 2009 4:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Regarding your Update
Don’t think Cassell can be one of the waived. Don’t we have to hang on to him for 7 days?
I think Brown is involved in the trade(why he’s sitting out today), and Douby will be waived to get to 15.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Feb 18, 2009 2:21 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
So does Salmons
nudge nudge wink wink.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Feb 18, 2009 2:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Looking forward
We have:
Hawes
JT/KT
Garcia/Nocioni
Martin
Udrih
under contract next year. Maybe also Bobby Brown, if he isn’t waived to make room. Still a long, long way away from Portland or OKC territory.
Under contract next year, correct?
by LPKingsFan on Feb 18, 2009 2:25 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Even uglier than my messed up formatting/typo
is the worst bench $15 million can buy
by LPKingsFan on Feb 18, 2009 2:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh yeah baby
Now that we have Michael Ruffin, the championship goes through Portland!!! Wooohooo!!!
Seriously though, I don’t understand Diogu for Ruffin.
by Cablinasian on Feb 18, 2009 2:25 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
3 million dollar trade exception for Portland.
Hot dogs, get your hot dogs.
by jjham15 on Feb 18, 2009 10:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This is just horrible. I cannot even comprehend it.
Why not wait until the deadline to see if the Knicks or Nets come around. This sucks balls. So to recap NO picks, NO prospects, cap space for one year, and less for the next 4. This is the equivalent of if dallas had done the beno for stackhouse trade, fucking god.
There now I've met the 75 word count. -pookeyguru
by moproblemz on Feb 18, 2009 2:26 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I'm going to leave work early.
And go home and kick my dog.
There now I've met the 75 word count. -pookeyguru
by moproblemz on Feb 18, 2009 2:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
After I finish kicking my dog
I’m coming for yours! And then GP’s beautiful, precious Golden Retrievers are next. And then Geoff. and then Nocioni. and then…
by batso on Feb 18, 2009 2:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Look at the bright side
How pissed will Chicago be when they realize that Salmons sucks off the bench?
www.mancancook.net
by vfettke on Feb 18, 2009 2:26 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
They won't send Gordon to the bench?
by discocricket on Feb 18, 2009 2:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They had better
Plus, we’ll see how playing in a larger market affects John. The man seems a bit fragile mentally, who knows what affect this will have on him.
Mambo King
by otis29 on Feb 18, 2009 2:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Last I checked, Philadelphia has a large market share
by betweentheeyes on Feb 18, 2009 9:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep, and it didn't go so well at that time
But he was pretty young then as well. I’m not sensing he’s any less emotional fragile though.
Mambo King
by otis29 on Feb 19, 2009 4:57 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We've gone from
“In Petrie We Trust!”
to
“In Petrie We Trust??”
Mambo King
by otis29 on Feb 18, 2009 2:27 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
How about
Is Petrie starting to rust?
by thekangarooster on Feb 18, 2009 2:28 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
personally
I think that his hands were tied by ownership.
Blessings.Love.Peace
by lifestyleforthesellout on Feb 18, 2009 2:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You don't think the clear
cost saving motivated deals over the last couple of days would indicate a directive from the ownership?
The Maloof/Petrie management group takes a serious hit on this one though.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Feb 18, 2009 2:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This ESPN comment made me feel a little better....only a little though
“Simmons also has an expiring contract, so the Kings basically traded the salaries of Miller and Salmons for Nocioni’s.”
by Kusian on Feb 18, 2009 2:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's possible
I mean that’s the best case scenario. Worst case, he’s turning into Isaiah and no one has caught it yet.
by discocricket on Feb 18, 2009 2:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's even a question?
Although I wonder if he was pressured by Maloofs to cut costs now at the expense of eating Nocioni’s deal later (shades of the Webber deal, and we all know how that ended up).
by LPKingsFan on Feb 18, 2009 2:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Might be interesting to redo that Petrie poll after the dealine passes
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 18, 2009 4:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
TZ mentioned in his original post that he would
So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,
Now set the teeth - and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 18, 2009 5:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
and instead
we have that amount more in the years after. This trade is a disaster by any rationale I can think of other than the Maloofs have a margin call and need to raise cash, now!
by ForThree on Feb 18, 2009 2:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Even if that was the case
I can’t imagine this was the deal with the most cost savings out of everything on the table (whatever they really were).
by thekangarooster on Feb 18, 2009 2:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The second coming of Kenny Thomas
by MITCH FRONTAGE on Feb 18, 2009 2:29 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Sam Amick
Reporting it will probably be Cassell and Douby getting waived.
Mambo King
by otis29 on Feb 18, 2009 2:31 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Better be another deal in the works involving the Wizards' 1st
Otherwise…
by TheRaven on Feb 18, 2009 2:32 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
That's already happened to me.
Hopefully I’ll grow the skin back by tomorrow.
by Aykis16 on Feb 18, 2009 2:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This is
exactly how I feel right now
by Ultrakingsfan on Feb 18, 2009 2:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This is a great move
We have TONS of expiring contracts that come off the cap. I cannot believe how good this trade is I think it is indescribable. Cost savings may also help keep the team in Sacramento as well. This trade is not in a vacuum it solves lots of problems. Look at what comes off the cap after this season:
Bobby Brown – $0.44 Million
Sam Cassell – 0.80 Million
Bobby Jackson – 6.49 Million
Shelden Williams – 3.40 Million
Ike Diogu – 2.9 Million
Drew Gooden – 7.1 Million
Cedric Simmons – 1.7 Million
If we have none of those players back that is $24.25 Million off of the payroll. If we waive Mikki Moore we save approx 3 Million more. Nocioni’s contract goes down a small amount for the next two years and then back up in a team option year that we would only excercise if we used him in a trade in the offseason of 2012.
Remember we can be used in unuqual trades since we are below that salary cap. We can take on a fat salary and future first rounders in the offseason for the Wizards or Cavaliers or any team. Cap space leads to TONS of options especially in the hands of Petrie and the Kings. The players we received are almost irrelevant.
by mayfieldcol on Feb 18, 2009 2:34 PM PST reply actions 5 recs
I am an accountant!
In no way affiliated with the Maloofs. We were under the cap which is why we traded Diogu’s 2.9 Million for Ruffin’s small salary.
by mayfieldcol on Feb 18, 2009 2:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Facetious comment
No offense – i guess the only way this makes sense is from a straight up numbers perspective.
by batso on Feb 18, 2009 2:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My Bosses...
who are also accountants really like this trade, too! It must be a numbers or money thing. they even gave me the company tickets to tonights game!
by mayfieldcol on Feb 18, 2009 3:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's exactly why it does make sense
Petrie’s not concerned what a few overzealous fans think now. It’s about the long haul.
The doctor said I wouldn't get so many nosebleeds if I just kept my finger outta there.
-Ralph
by kangsfan on Feb 18, 2009 5:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Overzealous or not
I like the game of basketball more than the business – shortsighted? So be it.
by batso on Feb 18, 2009 5:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't get me wrong, I am dissapointed
However I still have faith in GP that he knows what he’s doing. They don’t pay us to speculate, and for good reason.
The doctor said I wouldn't get so many nosebleeds if I just kept my finger outta there.
-Ralph
by kangsfan on Feb 18, 2009 10:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Diogu is ours
AK47, SN13, B52, and K9. One guns, Another runs, He fits, while it licks.
by CAB on Feb 18, 2009 2:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes he is
Ruffin goes to Portland, Diogu comes here
www.mancancook.net
by vfettke on Feb 18, 2009 2:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
...
How does Diogu’s 2.9 million trade for Ruffin’s 0.7m?
by sactown on Feb 18, 2009 2:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They're giving us a million dollars
So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,
Now set the teeth - and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 18, 2009 2:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Right
but we’re getting 2.9m + 1m cash and they’re taking back only 0.7m? Doesn’t fly.
by sactown on Feb 18, 2009 2:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We are under the cap
Thanks New Jersey for letting us have Shareef! He was a great citizen and his legit injury cave us cap room!
by mayfieldcol on Feb 18, 2009 2:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeeees it does
2.9 for .7 + 1 Mil
So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,
Now set the teeth - and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 18, 2009 2:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You have to pro-rate the saleries for the rest of the year
I don’t know how salaries are paid out in the NBA, but if it is based on games played, Portland has played 52 out of 82 games. Based on team payout during the season, Diogu is owed approximately $1.06 million, which is just $60k over what they are paying us based on the one mil stated by you. Maybe this trade gives Portland some cap relief, but I am making some assumptions, so does anyone know how player pay is scheduled?
Hokiehess@gmail.com
by hokiehess on Feb 18, 2009 3:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You have it backward sac
So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,
Now set the teeth - and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 18, 2009 2:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wasn't there cash coming back?
Mambo King
by otis29 on Feb 18, 2009 2:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
add Bobby Brown?
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Feb 18, 2009 2:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Brown is insufficent
salary addition needs to be 1.9m according to Trade Machine.
by sactown on Feb 18, 2009 2:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The three way works
with or without Brown.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Feb 18, 2009 2:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
k
I was looking at it 2-way Kings/Blazers, with 3-way it works. My bad.
by sactown on Feb 18, 2009 2:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Without Brown
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Feb 18, 2009 2:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But...
we could have saved as much with the Nets deal, without taking on the bad contract, plus we’d have gotten a young prospect in Ryan Anderson
www.mancancook.net
by vfettke on Feb 18, 2009 2:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Problem is
We don’t know if that offer was legitimately on the table. This is always the frustration with the post-trade analysis, we never do find out if these other deals were tangible or not.
Mambo King
by otis29 on Feb 18, 2009 2:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If that deal was real
we have no idea who floated that rumor
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Feb 18, 2009 2:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I rec it
The only optimistic post. I like it. I’m with you.
by ZenBaller on Feb 18, 2009 2:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Optimistic
But the bottom line is we traded probably our best chip (in Salmons) for very little talent in return. With Salmons, you would have hoped to get a draft pick back at the very least.
Mambo King
by otis29 on Feb 18, 2009 2:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bottom line
Salmons was not part of the future.
Ooops, now I have to rationalize that Nocioni is.
I think it was the price to dump Brad for the expirings.
The good: Nocioni shoots 38% from 3.
The bad: Nocioni shoots 41% overall.
Almost half his shots are threes. Maybe a change of scenery turns him into the second coming of Peja.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 18, 2009 5:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nocioni is also the same age as Salmons.
Shut up and Coach
by Carl on Feb 18, 2009 6:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nocioni's contract is more money and a year longer than Salmons.
by MITCH FRONTAGE on Feb 18, 2009 2:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
but he can come off the bench
if need be.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Feb 18, 2009 2:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think we could have done better trading Salmons seperately.
The OKC deal would have been better than getting another bad contract. Even if Nocioni helps a little I still think it sucks.
by MITCH FRONTAGE on Feb 18, 2009 2:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not happy about taking on Nocioni
but I’m going with the idea that these cost cutting measures are required to keep the Kings in Sactown.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Feb 18, 2009 2:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Obviously it was all for cost cutting.
But I still don’t have to like it. lol
by MITCH FRONTAGE on Feb 18, 2009 2:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
sorry, but
If we have to play the game handicapped because the Maloofs are too cheap to compete, they can go to hell and move the team.
The Family got their play toy, the play toy comes with ongoing expenses these extremely wealthy people were aware of and can afford. There’s no reason they can’t at least play within the rules. I’m not saying they need to be NYK or Portland, but all this consternation about the poor Maloofs makes me ill.
by ForThree on Feb 18, 2009 2:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
You’d be different, I’m sure.
Mambo King
by otis29 on Feb 18, 2009 2:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I won’t ever be in danger of having the Maloofs financial “Problems” lol.
by ForThree on Feb 18, 2009 2:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nor I
I understand there is a financial side to this, and don’t decry the Maloofs for cutting costs…that’s the reality of doing business, play toy or not.
Fact is, Sacramento might not be the best town for an NBA team, especially in a recessed economy. I think we all may need to deal with that fact…
Mambo King
by otis29 on Feb 18, 2009 2:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Does that make ForThree's point unreasonable?
I mean, if they can’t swing it, sell the team.
by discocricket on Feb 18, 2009 2:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think so
We are really in unprecedented financial times, at least in our history. The Maloofs aren’t the only ownership that’s looking to cut costs right now.
Do you really think there’s a market out there to buy an NBA team right now?
Reality is, they may be cutting costs in an effort to keep this team in Sacramento, rather than take the money that could be awaiting them in another city. If that’s the case, I’d feel pretty shitty villifying them.
I’m still on the “wait and see” bandwagon. Will there be another move? Will the team go after a free agent with the space they’ve created for next season, or will that money be sat upon? Those questions need to be answered before telling the Maloofs to “go to hell and move their team”.
Mambo King
by otis29 on Feb 18, 2009 2:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think your altruism in their motives is potentially naive
(Kfan in Korea skip this post) :)
They could be cutting costs because they have the cover to do so.
I don’t think there’s any correlation between whether the Maloofs move the team and them saving a few million in the short run and them moving the team.
They’ll move the team when they have a deal that is good enough for them to give up whatever amount of equity you think they have built up in Sacramento. The money gained or lost in the meantime isn’t relevant to the decision.
by ForThree on Feb 18, 2009 2:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We shall see
I don’t necessarily see them as altruistic, but I think the idea that these guys should treat their businesses like playtoys is equally laughable.
I’ve never had a problem with the Maloofs (or other sports team owners) running their business like a business.
And it’s not like they’ve been sitting under the salary cap every year right? If they don’t go out and spend the money they’ve cleared off the cap, then you can bitch that they are cheapskates.
If that money does get spent, you might want to point your vitriol at the GM.
Mambo King
by otis29 on Feb 18, 2009 3:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
true
I’ve not had any issue with the Maloofs as owners except when they’ve (theoretically) made basketball decisions. I have nothing bad to say about the Maloofs to date.
I just have a problem with…the Kings are staying in Sac because of this trade…that’s not reasonable, imo.
by ForThree on Feb 18, 2009 3:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
While there may be some truth to that
Sac has been a good place financially in the past, if saving money in the short term bridges the team until those financial times are a reality again, then that’s a good thing.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Feb 18, 2009 3:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Its hard to justify the current payroll by wins...
So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,
Now set the teeth - and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 18, 2009 3:30 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
It is impossible to justify current payroll by wins
no matter how you slice it.
by mayfieldcol on Feb 18, 2009 3:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No way...
With credit spreads through the roof, and virtually every bank in existence being over-leveraged and under-capitalized, I can’t see any way that the team could be sold. Only way that deal goes through is if its an equity swap (Someone offers Maloofs a shit-ton of stock in something for their ownership of the Kings) or if it’s an all-cash deal.
by misterbrister on Feb 18, 2009 6:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No consternation involved
but I’d be sad if the Kings left Sac and if believing that this move will help keep the team from moving allows me to better accept it, at least allow me my delusion.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Feb 18, 2009 2:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’ll be quiet about the Maloofs finances then Kfan, out of respect for your naivity. :)
by ForThree on Feb 18, 2009 2:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Both good players
not shitbags…
So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,
Now set the teeth - and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 18, 2009 2:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's great
Wanna bet we don’t acquire fat salary? This is a cost cut. So if we don’t, this is a bad deal. Even if we do, it depends on what we get.
by discocricket on Feb 18, 2009 2:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Rec'd
just for the fact that you’re so optimistic.
by shadow1480 on Feb 18, 2009 2:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You're missing the point
We are getting punished having to absorb Nocioni’s contract, which is a year longer than Salmons and slightly more money just to get rid of Miller one year earlier than he’d have left anyway.
Miller next year would actually have been an asset as a decent player with a giant expiring deal next year. All we got is we extended our crappy salary cap situation longer, on the hope Petrie can figure out something with slightly more cap space this summer than the MLE.
by ForThree on Feb 18, 2009 2:41 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
something HAD to give
So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,
Now set the teeth - and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 18, 2009 2:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That’s pretty much what I thought when I first read about the trade. Of course we got garbage in return. We’re looking for expiring salaries. Maybe we could’ve gotten more value, maybe not. We don’t really know what’s on the table. Maybe we could’ve gotten better, but this is by no means a bad deal.
This is not the Webber deal. That deal pretty much just split a long, large contract into three long, smaller contracts. This deal gives us immediate flexibility and we don’t have to wait for years for contracts to expire. Yes, we have to take on Nocioni but he’s the only long-term piece and it’s a sacrifice I’m willing to make.
I think all the Amare talk led us all to dream up something big when in reality those deals may not have been as feasible as initially thought. Compared to an Amare deal, this trade is a huge letdown, but ultimately what matters is what the Kings do with the flexibility. Only then can we really judge this trade.
by jveezy on Feb 18, 2009 2:55 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Funny thing
The peeps at Blog-a-Bull seem more excited about Brad Miller than John Salmons.
Mambo King
by otis29 on Feb 18, 2009 2:35 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
He's played there before
back when he was young and gave a shit
www.mancancook.net
by vfettke on Feb 18, 2009 2:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If not for the re-aquisition of BJax
This would be the official end of the Adelman-Kings era. Of course this has been upon us for some time, but moving BM52 makes it official. No hold overs because of extensions on our part.
If yr not happy with the results, lower yr expectations.
by tokyo on Feb 18, 2009 2:39 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Nocioni usually steps up his production during playoffs, so… oh wait…
by henryclemente on Feb 18, 2009 2:39 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Nocioni
He also averages 5 rebounds a game too and is willing to come off the bench. We took Diogu off Portland’s hands for $1 Million cash (after paying his salary Maloof net 640 grand or so) to lower their luxury tax bill and/or to aloow them some flexibility in future trades. This is way better tyhan the Chris Webber trade and we only said we loved that when it went down.
by mayfieldcol on Feb 18, 2009 2:40 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Actually this pretty much exactly like the Webber trade
Better financial situation in the short term, worse in the long term.
by nbrans on Feb 18, 2009 2:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Except Webber's contract was a huge liability
and Salmons/Miller were arguably assets
by ForThree on Feb 18, 2009 2:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
How is it worse in the long term?
We have Nocioni for 2 years and then a team option we will never pick up. And the 2 years we have him for his salary goes down small amounts.
by mayfieldcol on Feb 18, 2009 2:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Nocioni is on the hook for three years after this one
Then there is a team option
Mambo King
by otis29 on Feb 18, 2009 2:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Otis is right.
There now I've met the 75 word count. -pookeyguru
by moproblemz on Feb 18, 2009 2:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He's a worse
and less valuable (in the trade market) player than Salmons.
by discocricket on Feb 18, 2009 2:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
To be fair
I don’t think he’s worse than Salmons.
Salmons had a good year in NBA’s worst team. That’s no big achievement.
by ZenBaller on Feb 18, 2009 2:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Okay
I’ll disagree. Regardless, wasn’t Salmons more valuable than Noc as of today?
by discocricket on Feb 18, 2009 2:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
I’m just not sure about the comparison. Nocioni is a good player, he might be more useful than Salmons.
by ZenBaller on Feb 18, 2009 2:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
could be
Salmons wouldn’t do crap off the bench.
by shadow1480 on Feb 18, 2009 2:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nocioni is also emotional
which I think we lack
So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,
Now set the teeth - and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 18, 2009 3:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He also talks on defense
I think that’s the more important issue.
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by pookeyguru on Feb 18, 2009 6:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He's bigger (don't care what the stats say)
rebounds better and is a 3 pt specialist
for what its worth
So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,
Now set the teeth - and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 18, 2009 2:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Who's we?
I hated that trade when it happened, and it’s become a cancer that just won’t go away.
by discocricket on Feb 18, 2009 2:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Have this crossed anyone's mind?
Maybe we had no better offer for Salmons.
Joe Smith and Wilcox went to NO, Dallas seems indifferent, the Blazers are thinking about 1000 trades….
Maybe this one was the best deal available and it’s sure better than doing nothing.
by ZenBaller on Feb 18, 2009 2:42 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
its a hell of a lot worse than doing nothing in my opinion
by ForThree on Feb 18, 2009 2:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's what I figured,
mentioned previously – if all Tyson Chandler was worth was a couple expirings, then I wasn’t surprised, really, about what we got.
Interesting to see if Cleaveland can turn Wally into anything.
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by iashwash on Feb 18, 2009 7:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This is such a bad trade.................
such a bad trade, the kings better justify this somehow.
by Ultrakingsfan on Feb 18, 2009 2:45 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
How
much longer does Salmons have on his contract?
by shadow1480 on Feb 18, 2009 2:47 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Bulls Fan Here.
In my opinion this is a horrible trade for the Kings. Rew Gooden plats absolutely no D and will take more outside jumpers than your guards will. As for Noch I respect the effort he gives but he is a ballhog in the midst of his worst statistical season ever and don’t even get me started on the Albatross of a contract! I am not that excited about get B Miller due to the fact he plays a little to soft for my liking but John Salmons is a great addition who can get moved to the 3 behind Deng with either him or Heinrich coming of the bench 1st. Only + is Rew Gooden contract comes of the books next year.
by Avrich on Feb 18, 2009 2:47 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Take
it from us …. salmons is a completely different player off the bench. If you want John to play well, the Bulls better start him. and he LOVES to dribble. Loves it.
by shadow1480 on Feb 18, 2009 2:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sound like Ben Gordon.
I think that why we pulled the trigger B.G is a unrestricted F.A. next year, this is a insurance policy.
by Avrich on Feb 18, 2009 2:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I noticed the excitement from Bulls fans and the complaining by us Kings fans.
That should tell us we got the bad deal.
by MITCH FRONTAGE on Feb 18, 2009 2:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
not so quick ....
Here’s a nice comment from ESPN’s story ….
So rather than attempt to use Gooden and Noc in a deal that could land an actual difference-maker, they go after Brad Miller. Again.
That’s it. I give up on this team until someone in the front office shows they have a clue what they’re doing.
by shadow1480 on Feb 18, 2009 2:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You forget
Nocioni makes more than Salmons and has an extra year. That is the only real asset besides the cap space, depending if we use it or not. This summer will decide if this trade makes sense or not.
by MITCH FRONTAGE on Feb 18, 2009 2:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This trade doesn’t look as good as we hoped but I think it’s far worse for the Bulls.
I don’t know much about your cap, but I guess it’s close to full for the next couple of years and you’re no contenders.
by ZenBaller on Feb 18, 2009 2:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think the bulls are another 2010 buyer which is Millers end year and get the extra year of Nocioni off the books.
by MITCH FRONTAGE on Feb 18, 2009 2:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yea probably
But they won’t do much till then. And it’s a pity because they have a nice team. Plus they’ll have to resign the rookie contracts then.
by ZenBaller on Feb 18, 2009 2:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We Know Were Not Contenders! Duh.
But Salmons and Miller come off the books 2010, just in time for that amazing Free Agent Class (Bosh, I hope). And check out Noch’s contract. It’s Ridiculous! And We really needed a big man upgrade over Aaron Gray. Besides we have the future aka D Rose.
by Avrich on Feb 18, 2009 2:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
How? They look to be in great position in 2010. Noc won’t supplant Deng, Gordon won’t resign cheap.
by SeeingStars on Feb 18, 2009 2:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
brb, gotta wrap up this e-mail to Petrie
by jeremy548 on Feb 18, 2009 2:50 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
Kings received tons of expiring contracts
No team wanted to give us a draft pick for Salmons or Miller much like I would not want to give a draft pick for the possible Amar’e trade scenarios. I doubt anyone we traded for will be on the Kings next year except for Nocioni.
by mayfieldcol on Feb 18, 2009 2:50 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Let's hope not
That would take it from bad to worse.
by discocricket on Feb 18, 2009 2:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
Our pick will be great this year and the rockets will be about 23-25. We got that for Artest who is WORLDS better than Salmons.
by mayfieldcol on Feb 18, 2009 2:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We got much more than that for Artest
We got an expiring, Greene, and a pick.
by discocricket on Feb 18, 2009 2:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly
if the Kings get a good 10 mil a year FA like TZ said …. I think this is a good trade.
by shadow1480 on Feb 18, 2009 2:56 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Shaking the Magic 8 ball
Signs point to no
by nbrans on Feb 18, 2009 2:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Agree
The summer moves will decide what kind of value this trade gives us.
by MITCH FRONTAGE on Feb 18, 2009 2:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Which one?
Would they come? Aren’t the 2 relevant ones PFs?
by discocricket on Feb 18, 2009 2:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
who knows
if no one else offers them 10 mil a year …..
by shadow1480 on Feb 18, 2009 3:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Who knows
is not a plan for success.
by discocricket on Feb 18, 2009 3:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
neither
is sitting on the players you have when you’re 11-43 and not doing anything.
by shadow1480 on Feb 18, 2009 3:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough
Surely someone will offer Lee 10 million, I mean, I can’t imagine that not happening. Boozer? Do you want him long term? I’m not sure I do.
by discocricket on Feb 18, 2009 3:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
and we can still sign Amare by dinner
Life is every mammal's journey from very very wet to very very dry.
by Holmdel on Feb 18, 2009 2:58 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Bulls fan here...
I want to start out with an apology, I know it sucks to make bad trades. But really, this isnt as bad as it seems for you guys. You did give up a decent low post presence, but u got one back that does essentially the same exact thing. You also traded the future of your club (besides kevin of course) in john salmons but in return you got a guy who is going to come out a play his hardest every single night. Noc will probably be starting for you guys and with that role that hes never had im sure will come more responsibility, which he thrives on. Bulls got the better end of the deal talent wise, but its not that much to give up in exchange for some help with the wallet.
PS what is john salmons contract situation? expires in 11’?
by rose23 on Feb 18, 2009 2:58 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
John was never the future of our club.
He’s old. You got sourpuss Brad though.
Anyway, you guys got the better deal. Congrats.
by Aykis16 on Feb 18, 2009 3:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No need to rub our noses in it.
We are screwed. Just make sure Vinny starts Salmons otherwise you’ll get nothing out of him.
There now I've met the 75 word count. -pookeyguru
by moproblemz on Feb 18, 2009 3:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You've evidently not seen much of Miller or Salmons...
Miller is allergic to the low post. He’s a high post center, good shooter, very good passer, worthless defender, and only a good rebounder occasionally. He will complement Tyrus Thomas nicely.
Salmons is easily the best player in the trade, is 29 and you’ll be very pleasently surprised how much better he makes you.
by ForThree on Feb 18, 2009 3:04 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Salmons is the better player
but not if he comes off the bench. Otherwise – he does it all very well if any one thing excellently
So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,
Now set the teeth - and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 18, 2009 3:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Low post presence?
Miller does not qualify as a low post presence. Thanks for the expiring contracts!
by mayfieldcol on Feb 18, 2009 3:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We gave up a decent low post presence?
I thought we traded Miller and Salmons – who did I miss?
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by section214 on Feb 18, 2009 3:57 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
why anyone would commit all that $$ to BThriller is crazy to me
I like our chances using that cash to come up with a more valuable piece.
Life is every mammal's journey from very very wet to very very dry.
by Holmdel on Feb 18, 2009 3:03 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I think most would agree
Question is who would we lure in with that money.
by MITCH FRONTAGE on Feb 18, 2009 3:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You should just be lucky we didnt give you Larry instead of Noc. And im sure Vinny wont start salmons, he doesnt seem to do many things correctly.
by rose23 on Feb 18, 2009 3:04 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I'd have done that in a heart beat
He expires next year, which means next year he’s a trade asset like Miller would be.
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by vfettke on Feb 18, 2009 3:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This is not that bad of a deal
Just… Meh. Petrie obviously thinks highly of Niccioni and thinks he’s going to complement Shock and Hawes as the Kings frontcourt of the future. I just hope he’s right. (Nic can certainly rebound better than Salmons – which TZ has often noted is important for this team)
Now all we need is 2 decent guards – one of which will hopefully come in the draft.
by thelettere on Feb 18, 2009 3:05 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Short-term future at least
He’s kind of old to look too far ahead. Perhaps an acceptable stop-gap until the bigger plan gets finished.
by thelettere on Feb 18, 2009 3:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes it was the best deal available
“Sources say the Dallas Mavericks offered Jerry Stackhouse for Salmons, and the San Antonio Spurs were willing to part with Bruce Bowen and Ime Ukoda for him. Both Stackhouse and Bowen have partial guarantees for next season – $2 million each – that are cost prohibitive to Sacramento. League executives say the Kings preferred a straight expiring deal for Salmons before they found the Bulls’ deal.”
by ZenBaller on Feb 18, 2009 3:07 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
That's for Salmons though
who we could have held onto for net decent value in his play.
by discocricket on Feb 18, 2009 3:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
League executives say the Kings preferred a straight expiring deal for Salmons before they found the Bulls’ deal."
If this is true, the deal we got was better than what the deal Petrie was looking for.
Shut up and Coach
by Carl on Feb 18, 2009 5:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess
you would rather have Larry, there is no talent for him to disrupt anyway.
by rose23 on Feb 18, 2009 3:08 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
ESPN Note
The Chicago-Sacramento trade is likely to be finalized later Wednesday, but one source close to the process cautioned that the deal could still be expanded to include additional players.
by shadow1480 on Feb 18, 2009 3:14 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
or picks and players?
Ty Thomas and Douby and Noah, and Shelden and a Bulls #1!
Please.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Feb 18, 2009 3:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Would GP immediately try to move Gooden now?
So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,
Now set the teeth - and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 18, 2009 3:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Gooden, K9 and Washington's #1
for Amare!
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Feb 18, 2009 3:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
For the Washington pick
then the washington pick or ours, whichever is worse (both good) + expirings and maybe hawes for Amare!
So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,
Now set the teeth - and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 18, 2009 3:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
or something...
So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,
Now set the teeth - and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 18, 2009 3:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
A pick would help soften the blow for me.
by Aykis16 on Feb 18, 2009 3:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I stop whining if we get a 1st rounder
I promise.
by discocricket on Feb 18, 2009 3:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Washington's pick!!!
So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,
Now set the teeth - and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 18, 2009 3:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Washington's pick
Would make me go from about 25% faith in Geoff to 50%.
I was at 75% then this shit happened.
by Aykis16 on Feb 18, 2009 3:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
back to 100 for me
So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,
Now set the teeth - and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 18, 2009 3:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Two top five picks - even in a weak year - that would be a biiiig Wow
So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,
Now set the teeth - and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 18, 2009 3:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm just happy we didn't get Eduardo Najera
I fucking hate Eduardo Najera.
Furthermore, upon reading the Bulls Blog side of it, they all seem to agree on two things about Nocioni: he’s overpaid, but he’s got a damn lot of heart. I would contend that possibly more than anything what this team needs right now is heart. That may seem cheesy, but I think it’s reasonable to suggest that two of the team’s biggest weaknesses, rebounding and defense, might improve drastically simply by swapping players who mostly don’t give a crap for at least one with strong will and something to prove.
by AnotherStupidSN on Feb 18, 2009 3:37 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
I like where your head's at
I was about to come down and post something similar to this. I think Garcia and Nocioni will get along, and that their passion for the game will help the rest of the team. I mean, not to mention, Nocioni is a team player: he’s going to play hard every night, and it’s going to make a difference.
Also, without any real proof, I suspect that without Salmons and Brad in the locker room, the team might be able to gel better than they have so far and finally start moving forward a little bit instead of sitting in an awkward holding pattern.
by bartenpa on Feb 18, 2009 3:42 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Good point
We shipped out the two moodiest guys on the team.
Mambo King
by otis29 on Feb 18, 2009 3:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I've said it on about three threads now
but this team needs more emotion. Noce could be addition and make others better just on that
+ rebounds…
So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,
Now set the teeth - and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 18, 2009 3:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
For sure
I suspect your suspicions re: Garcia/Nocioni and Salmons/Brad/locker room are spot on. At least, that’s exactly what I’m hoping.
by AnotherStupidSN on Feb 18, 2009 4:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
He’s dirty. Right when C-webb came back from surgery, Ed was blatantly trying to kick/trip/hit that leg. Asshole. Hate him.
by avishai on Feb 18, 2009 3:44 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah
I was having a hard time remembering why I hate him so much, I just remember feeling like whenever he was on the court, everything was suddenly a lot less fun and a lot more “douchy”.
by AnotherStupidSN on Feb 18, 2009 4:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think I blamed him for one of C-Webb's injuries
and those derailing our playoff chances. Hate that a-hole.
by Aykis16 on Feb 18, 2009 4:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We could use a little 'tough guy' actually
Noce does add some of that as well
So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,
Now set the teeth - and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 18, 2009 4:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that was totally a Cobra-Kai “Sweep the Leg” move by Najera.
put me in, Coach
by LaBradford on Feb 18, 2009 6:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I would contend that possibly more than anything what this team needs right now is heart.
Rec’d.
Shut up and Coach
by Carl on Feb 18, 2009 5:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Shows you Just how ugly the League is in terms of Financials right now.
When millers big expiring is worth so little that we have to attach one of the most reasonable contracts in the association to get someone to take on salary for a year.
When Chandler goes to OKC for next to nothing just so the Hornets can get out from under his contract (and hey the guy produced and without him they are not even close to contenders anymore).
When the nets are talking about trading Vince Carter to the Spurs for basically cap filler.
When an absolute superstar in the league (I don’t love me some Amare but he got voted by fans to the starting team of the west, the guy fills arenas regardless of what we the blogging stratosphere think of his D) is available to all and sundry and the best offer by all reports is average players back + a little expiring?
The secret is out, there are a lot of franchises out there who have been caught sans pants with regards to the money markets.
Theres some awfully awfully shallow pocketed ownership groups out there right now, and I think there are going to be some exceptionally unhappy Free Agents this summer when the offers start pouring in.
Fiscal responsibility just slapped the kings in the face like so much cold fish.
I hate the trade, I hate it worse than taking my wife to see P.S I love you, however I think it is a sign of the times that we are going to have to get acclimatised to. If the maloofs green light Geoff to use that cap space this summer i’d be surprised.
" Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes, that way when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes. "
by Bushka on Feb 18, 2009 3:48 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Honestly, I kind of hope they don't give Geoff the green light
…otherwise, how many shitty MLE’s can we get done for 10 mil? Is it too early to sign Mikki and Beno to extensions?
by AnotherStupidSN on Feb 18, 2009 3:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If the maloofs green light Geoff to use that cap space this summer i’d be surprised.
Agreed.
Shut up and Coach
by Carl on Feb 18, 2009 5:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Are they coming over too?
That’d sweeten the deal for me. Hell you could keep Ike.
by Aykis16 on Feb 18, 2009 3:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Does that background look like Portland to you?
This picture was taken when he was at Arizona State.
Karma
by Sabonis4Ever on Feb 18, 2009 4:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Who cares where they're at
Hot chicks in a hot tub. Gee, it matters if they were on Mars wouldn’t it?
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
by pookeyguru on Feb 18, 2009 6:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
'I'd buy That for a dollar!'
So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,
Now set the teeth - and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 18, 2009 4:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Remember the leaked photos from the Royal Court Dancer Thong Party?
Someone please put these girls in touch with those girls and provide them with a couple bottles of Cuervo, a digital camera, and an internet connection.
by AnotherStupidSN on Feb 18, 2009 4:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nice Diogu's
SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!
by section214 on Feb 18, 2009 4:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I like
the two Is
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 18, 2009 6:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I would definitely "dot" those 2 i's.
by PhutureKings on Feb 18, 2009 6:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That pushes the buttons
So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,
Now set the teeth - and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 18, 2009 6:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Then you'll love this one:
The blonde on the left sure has a lot of heart.
bud-dum-dump-psshh.
by PhutureKings on Feb 18, 2009 6:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Damn Ike !!
You might not make it as a Ball Player, so get as much of that as you can while you can bro !!!~!
I have cut the Mouth and Nose out of my Paper Bag, but I am contemplating not cutting out any EYE HOLES so I don't have to watch this mess at all...
by FaStRmAn on Feb 18, 2009 11:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Did we just jump to the front of the Amare list?
We didn’t trade the assets we were looking at giving Phoenix for Amare. The Bulls did. If he’s still available, are we on the inside track now?
by Deleran on Feb 18, 2009 4:47 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
None of those guys can be packaged now
so no, I don’t see what we could put together unless we get that pick from Washington – and even then?
Tough math
(plus it looks like Phx has decided to stand pat)
So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,
Now set the teeth - and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 18, 2009 4:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But - As has been pointed out, we now have 6 PFs
Something else is probably in the works
So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,
Now set the teeth - and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 18, 2009 5:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm saying
We still have Shelden, BJax, and JT if we wanted to make that offer.
by Deleran on Feb 18, 2009 5:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
They seem determined to get a high #1 though. We don’t give that up unless we get another.
So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,
Now set the teeth - and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 18, 2009 5:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
and he's yet another freakin' PF
So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,
Now set the teeth - and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 18, 2009 5:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Implicit in this statement is the assumption that K9 is a power forward
Which I have seen no evidence of in the last several years.
by Deleran on Feb 18, 2009 9:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't do it to yourself, man.
Don’t allow yourself to dream like that. After today, you should realize that those dreams will only have been shattered when you wake up Feb. 20th.
However, this works
on trade machine:
I put in Hawes, cuz I really don’t want to part w/ JT. Also, If it is JT AND our 1st pick that PHX wants, they can go fudge themselves. Now, if we can get a pick from CHI or the Wiz, I wouldn’t mind giving it to them w/ Hawes and HOU’s pick.
by PhutureKings on Feb 18, 2009 5:07 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
You didn't link an actual trade - just the machine
So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,
Now set the teeth - and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 18, 2009 5:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Goddamnit...
Sorry. It was supposed to be Moore, BJax, SWilliams & Hawes for Amar’e
by PhutureKings on Feb 18, 2009 5:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Think about it
We still have a bunch of expiring contracts even after making this deal so we still wind up under the cap next year. Hard to say what’s gonna happen though. I hope this is a precursor to another deal because the team as constituted after this trade doesn’t make any sense.
by Deleran on Feb 18, 2009 6:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks, Brad. Thanks, John.
We’ll see you at your jersey retirement ceremonies.
Just kidding.
SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!
by section214 on Feb 18, 2009 5:55 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
We’ll see you at your jersey retirement burning ceremonies.
Fixed.
Shut up and Coach
by Carl on Feb 18, 2009 6:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Dude
That is some funnie sheet !!
Miller did the best he could with what he had.. which wasnt much. John was a solid player who went out and earned his paycheck every game, which is more than you can say about Brad.
I have cut the Mouth and Nose out of my Paper Bag, but I am contemplating not cutting out any EYE HOLES so I don't have to watch this mess at all...
by FaStRmAn on Feb 18, 2009 11:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It should be noted -
Statistically, Miller is very similar to Vlade when comparing both of them as Kings.
Much different guys in what they contributed off the court, though. Vlade brought the glue, while Brad sniffed it (sorry, very cheap parting shot).
SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!
by section214 on Feb 19, 2009 8:32 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I hate this trade
Andres Nocioni isn’t worth the money, and giving up Salmons to accomplish this doesn’t make sense. Make the Bulls take Kenny Thomas instead. This trade sucks.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
by pookeyguru on Feb 18, 2009 6:09 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Money!!
The Kings saved a HUGE 10 million Pook! Isn’t that wonderful??!?
I am trying to be positive. It’s hard to do…
Kings rule! (They are royalty - right?)
by dalt99 on Feb 18, 2009 6:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
more I think
A mil back fron Portland
So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,
Now set the teeth - and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 18, 2009 6:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's not a terrible deal datl
My hope is that they think Nocioni is the type of player they can use off the bench, and provide the team with energy. I would much rather see Donte play with the starters, and Noc with the bench at this point.
I don’t really have a problem with the trade I guess. I’ll have a post on this when the valium & IB Profin wears off. I just had fillings & shit done, and I’m not feeling too hot. Especially when I’ve got a paper due on Friday. Truthfully, I think the Kings accomplished enough in this deal that it makes sense. If Noc helps fill the energy/rebounding/defense/can hit 3’s void this team needs help with, than I can live with this deal. I’ve seen worse. And the 10 million in cap relief definitely is something this team needed regardless. I’d give the trade a B.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
by pookeyguru on Feb 18, 2009 6:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
once again
I agree with you, pookey.
No, it’s not a great deal, but the Kings didn’t have the pieces to go out and get a great deal. This is a pretty good deal, and when your team is as bad as the current one is, “pretty good” is a step forward.
I especially like the fact that Petrie added some guys who can play defense and rebound and play physical basketball. After we get a talent upgrade (post-draft and assuming a free agent addition) Nocioni could be a useful player off the bench.
"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)
by Mucho Moss on Feb 19, 2009 3:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Are we acquiring Spanish speakers
so that Rubio will have someone to talk to and can translate and tell him what play they’re running? ;-)
by hozr on Feb 18, 2009 6:20 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
It's a well established trend in soccer
To acquire multiple players of similar cultural backgrounds to help foreigners settle better. Not saying they did it on purpose, just saying it might work.
by bartenpa on Feb 18, 2009 6:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He already speaks English hozr
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
by pookeyguru on Feb 18, 2009 6:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Reality
Thanks, Brad. Thanks, John.
We’ll see you at your jersey retirement ceremonies.
Just kidding.
This pretty much sums it up. None of the players in this deal are anything close to star material. So we dealt our crap for their crap. It’s nothing to get too excited or deflated about.
When you are 11-43, there are no bad trades. We really can’t get much worse.
We got rid of two guys who aren’t part of the future and added a little different wrinkle with Nocioni.
Do we really want to spend our time debating the relevant merits of Brad Miller vs. Drew Gooden?
I think the best thing is our young bigs don’t have Brad Miller looking over their shoulder anymore. No more Brad Ts and whining. No more Bad Brad.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 18, 2009 6:22 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
The best thing about this trade is..
in a week we’ll have completely new stuff to bitch about rather than the same ole, same ole we’ve been bitching about so far this year.
by ForThree on Feb 18, 2009 6:28 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
New and different mistakes
I’m psyched!
by bartenpa on Feb 18, 2009 6:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Awesome!!!!
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
by pookeyguru on Feb 18, 2009 6:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
New and different beards!
SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!
by section214 on Feb 18, 2009 7:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I checked blogabull
Whatever else – we have much better members here
A lot of inane shit there
So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,
Now set the teeth - and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 18, 2009 7:21 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Nocioni kind of looks like
Beno’s dad, or at least his older brother.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 18, 2009 8:57 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Always screaming at Beno
“DAMMIT BENO! KEEP POSSESSION OF THE BALL! GO TO YOUR ROOM!”
by Aykis16 on Feb 18, 2009 9:47 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
In GP's defense
You don’t get to be a gm by being an idiot and we know Geoff doesn’t pull knee jerk reaction trades. Let’s face it, this was the best trade available. It just seems so disappointing because we were all expecting a big splash right away with all the rumors that were out there. But that’s the thing, rumors are just rumors. I find it hard to believe that Geoff had opportunities like sending K9 with Brad to Miami for Shawn Marion or trading Salmons+dump to the Blazers for expirings and didn’t do it (would have saved more money than this trade). The reality is that this trade yielded the most value compared to any other real opportunity that was out there otherwise GP would have done them instead.
Enough negatives have been posted already so Im just going to point out what I like about the trade. This trade doesn’t net an all-star right away but it will provide an opportunity to. I enjoy the fact that it saves about 10 mil? next year giving us a number of options (free agency/trade flexibility). Who knows, if we go under the cap next year, we might be able to save Phoenix some money and get Amare without losing JT/Hawes/lottery pick after all. Drew for Brad is a wash skills-wise but we don’t have to pay Drew next year if we don’t want to. Nocioni is not too bad to have around. I think he can compliment Kmart better than Salmons did. Can’t wait to see how irritated other teams become when Nocioni and Cisco are on the floor together.
Looking into next season, you still have young JT/Hawes who can only get better, Kmart, a high draft pick, financial flexibility, K9’s expiring contract that could yield something else and those are enough to keep me watching and hopeful. Patience is key and the future will vindicate present actions. GP, keep doing your thing.
by creep on Feb 18, 2009 9:12 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Just Glad...
They finally got rid of Miller. Now when players go right up the middle and score, we can blame someone else.. or knock the guy on his arse… Nocioni doesn’t allow easy layups. Salmons was no big loss either. His jumper was pretty iffy, and when it wasnt going down, he was very predictable driving the lane for an offensive foul, a turnover, or a prayer. A SHOOTING guard in the NBA has to make SHOTS. The NBA is riddled with athletic 1.5 guards that can jump out of the GYM but cant consistently make a 15 footer.
I think that Gooden is a money deal only. His best days are WAY behind him. He can still play, but the Kings aren’t going to resign him. Not with the young promising power forward they already have. My hope is the Maloofs are gearing up to make a big splash next year with a Homerun Draft by “The Genius” Geoff Petrie, coupled with a Homerun Free Agent signing using all that money that the Maloofs have been claiming they were putting aside for the future. That is really the only way to resurrect this franchise and put Sacramento back on the NBA map. They haven’t been relevant since CWEBB heard a “POP”. Damn shame that was…
http://www.newsday.com/sports/ny-spknix0218,0,7002831.story
But After reading in the NY Times that the Maloofs were caught up in the Madoff scandal, I am afraid that the salary dumping might be motivated by financial fear more than by clever design. If that is the case, we are in for some youth basketball for several years to come. Kinda like AAU / Recreation League games, but they want you to pay 20 bucks just to park (WHAT? No wash and wax???) and 40 bones for a seat. That is really gonna be a hard sell. Yea, if the Maloofs try to go cheap on the fans, It ain’t going to be hard to figure it out. I have also read that a lot of teams are using the 2010 free agent free-for-all as a smoke screen excuse to dump salary and then hunker down and wait the recession out. So if the Kings do NOT spend the alleged windfall from all the REALLY bad trades (Bibby, Artest, Webber, and now Miller) that we got no talent in return for, then we will know how the Maloofs financial house is doing. Sure hope that gamboling hall they got in Vegas is doing well. One positive is the money the City wil save because there is no use building a New Arena for CRICKETS….
I have cut the Mouth and Nose out of my Paper Bag, but I am contemplating not cutting out any EYE HOLES so I don't have to watch this mess at all...
by FaStRmAn on Feb 18, 2009 11:28 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
enjoy
i claim to be ikes biggest fan, so having him on my blazers was awesome, sad to see him go but the kings just got another supporter. cheer loud for him kings fans, give him a good welcome…
OOOO THAT WAS NASTAY! wheels
by DNP (CD) on Feb 18, 2009 11:31 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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