Sactown Royalty

march into expansionism continues

shaqawokeez called it

fire_voisin - February 18, 2009 reply

We're marching into the D League

What FA will we take a stab at? Boozer or Lee? Would the want to come to our horrific team? Who would they start over? Thompson?

Mmmm...

We are going to be bad for a while, but a lot will depend on the ping-pong balls. If we get the #1 or #2, pair that up with Thompson, Martin and Hawes, and you at least have a nice young core.

Ok, I’m reaching here, but I think the next two years are going to require an exceptional amount of optimism.

You were going to have that anyway

this trade just extends salary cap hell for longer.

Exactly

Remember

Nocioni is +$6.6 in his final year when he will be an expiring. That will make him tradeable then so it’s really only a problem in the 2010-11 year

dalt99 - February 18, 2009 reply

Hmmmm

pronounced: no see own ee? or no chi own ee?

wabut - February 18, 2009 reply

Well

It’s an Italian name but a born Argentine. So I presume he pronounces it No-see (as in Spanish) whereas in Italy they’d pronounce it No-chi.

As I said in the Fanshot...

…terrible. Bad. Terribad.

Jaycee - February 18, 2009 reply

meh

At this rate, I bet the team sits on the $10 million. Damn Madoff

that's

exactly what im afraid of. save 10 million and do nothing with it.

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

This is so gay.

If I understand this correctly

You could look at this as trading Miller for expirings, and Salmons for Nocioni. More comprehensible this way.

That's all well and good...

but it’s still shitty.

That's how I'm looking at it

Which makes it ludicrous. Net negative value for our best asset. Awesome move Petrie.

More like we had to

trade Salmons for Nocioni to get someone to take Miller off our hands. That’s ugly.

And stupid

Wouldn’t Miller have become a better valued asset next season when he’s expiring? Weren’t we under the tax anyway with the SAR retirement?

cost savings

pure cost savings.

Unless Pookie’s guestimate that Miller was becoming a serious locker room problem is more true than I thought.

Clearly so

I hope those $6000 Carl’s Jr. meals taste good.

Note

that comprehensible doesn’t mean commendable – I think this trade is a poor one. I’d rather trade Salmons for a pick+expiring, or trade Miller for expiring. If neither were possible, then I’d keep them both.

I'll say it again:

shit.

I mean it…shit.

DOODIE!

I just

don’t get this…

I guess the nets rumor was bogus.

Because there is no possible way I can comprehend this bulls trade if that offer was quasi-legitimate.

I'm hoping

That somehow this is all being reported incorrectly.

I hope we get an update

“The Bulls send their #1 pick to the Kings”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qb6xY4d4WY&feature=related

I wish I had Geoff's cell phone number.

I’d really just like to know what the plan is. After watching the rebuild in Portland and what’s going on in OKC, it seems to me that picks and young guys are the way to go. Crappy teams in small markets, regardless of how much money they have, seem to stay crappy teams.

Come on Geoff, give me a call! I need comfort.

Jaycee - February 18, 2009 reply

My new cheer for the Kings...NSFW

avishai - February 18, 2009 reply

avishai - February 18, 2009 reply

Sounds good to me.

Exactly

Bad Trade once again

Once again, us fans are disappointed near the trading deadline. I never know why I, along with many others on this board always hope for something positive around this time of year. It never happens. I would have loved to see Miller and Salmons shipped in separate deals. The few past draft picks and signing Kevin to an extension, are the only, and i mean ONLY TWO things the front office has done positive.everything else, GARBAGE

David24 - February 18, 2009 reply

Kenny Thomas, Andres Nocioni

Ah, man! Why'd you go and remind me of that.

Quick question

Do we even have roster space for those people? Wasn’t Sam our 15th spot?

Alien is a goner

Ya but that still leaves us with 14

Now take away 2 and add 4. thats 16.

Geez...now my math's all screwed up too

Shit

And my spelling

I guess someone will be waived.

Or theres another trade in the works.

Bye Q-dub

dalt99 - February 18, 2009 reply

No

he’s not going to report, so there’s still one spot left. got rid of 2, got three. now we got 15 guys (once they waive Cassell.)

If TZ's trade to the wizards happens I will tip my hat to petrie,

but right now I just don’t understand how this all happened, I mean salmons to OKC for an expiring and a pick is better than this.

I hate to jump on the pookey “maloofs are controlling the personnel decisions” but I really cannot understand this any other way.

I actually like this trade.

Shock and HAwes all day and night baby.

I hope Gooden calls in a lot of sick days.

sdfd - February 18, 2009 reply

Why do you like taking on Nocioni's deal

for Salmons? I’m curious.

lifestyleforthesellout - February 18, 2009 reply

Gooden actually helps with our pourous rebounding.

I'm sure Natt will play him 40 minutes

And stick JT on the bench.

lifestyleforthesellout - February 18, 2009 reply

ahhh,

Purgatory.

Most ping pong balls. Suck it Wiz.

Lock it up.

...

I wouldn’t be surprised if we aren’t more competitive with Gooden and Nocioni, in the sense that Miller never played with energy and Nocioni may flourish with extra minutes. Not that I like the trade.

yep

I’m not happy about that, but I think we’ll be surprisingly better with these two guys.

Holmdel - February 18, 2009 reply

Someone might fail a physical right?

There’s still some hope?

anyone in chi town

that could pull a tonya harding on noce?

they will just waive the physical

No doubt.....more will be revealed

but on it’s face it looks like the worst trade GP has ever made.

Bluejohn - February 18, 2009 reply

Men

You think he could at least have gotten a draft pick out of them. Nocioni is the same age as Salmons and makes about the same money. Doesn’t really address a need aside from the hole created by Salmons leaving or eve make the team better or worse, really. With Diogu and Gooden coming in, is there a deal involving Mikki out there?

Also, Kenny Natt deserves to get booted in the ass if he starts Gooden.

Nocioni for Stackhouse?

Would Dallas be interested?

kingme18 - February 18, 2009 reply

Just for contrast

Here’s the related thread at blogabull. They seem happy. Very happy.

wabut - February 18, 2009 reply

They should be...

this is ridiculous.

Yep

Some happy boys and girls over there…

Oh, no wonder Bobby Brown's not playing tonight

I bet Petrie’s going to freakin’ drop Brown.

CloudyEyes - February 18, 2009 reply

I'd be surprised

Seems like a tradeable asset

Exhibit G - February 18, 2009 reply

I'd rather the Kings just trade him to the Hornets for nothing.

build up some good will

Regarding your Update

Don’t think Cassell can be one of the waived. Don’t we have to hang on to him for 7 days?

I think Brown is involved in the trade(why he’s sitting out today), and Douby will be waived to get to 15.

Brown

has

an injury, according to Amick

So does Salmons

nudge nudge wink wink.

I want to

kill Mr. Petrie

Xanax

Looking forward

We have:

Hawes
JT/KT
Garcia/Nocioni
Martin
Udrih

under contract next year. Maybe also Bobby Brown, if he isn’t waived to make room. Still a long, long way away from Portland or OKC territory.

Under contract next year, correct?

Even uglier than my messed up formatting/typo

is the worst bench $15 million can buy

Oh yeah baby

Now that we have Michael Ruffin, the championship goes through Portland!!! Wooohooo!!!

Seriously though, I don’t understand Diogu for Ruffin.

Cablinasian - February 18, 2009 reply

3 million dollar trade exception for Portland.

jjham15 - February 18, 2009 reply

This is just horrible. I cannot even comprehend it.

Why not wait until the deadline to see if the Knicks or Nets come around. This sucks balls. So to recap NO picks, NO prospects, cap space for one year, and less for the next 4. This is the equivalent of if dallas had done the beno for stackhouse trade, fucking god.

I'm going to leave work early.

And go home and kick my dog.

After I finish kicking my dog

I’m coming for yours! And then GP’s beautiful, precious Golden Retrievers are next. And then Geoff. and then Nocioni. and then…

Hrrrraaaah!

Look at the bright side

How pissed will Chicago be when they realize that Salmons sucks off the bench?

He'll probably start at SG

They won't send Gordon to the bench?

They had better

Plus, we’ll see how playing in a larger market affects John. The man seems a bit fragile mentally, who knows what affect this will have on him.

Last I checked, Philadelphia has a large market share

Yep, and it didn't go so well at that time

But he was pretty young then as well. I’m not sensing he’s any less emotional fragile though.

otis29 - February 19, 2009 reply

We've gone from

“In Petrie We Trust!”

to

“In Petrie We Trust??”

thekangarooster - February 18, 2009 reply

"Trust but verify"

Kusian - February 18, 2009 reply

How about

Is Petrie starting to rust?

personally

I think that his hands were tied by ownership.

lifestyleforthesellout - February 18, 2009 reply

I figured that was coming

You don't think the clear

cost saving motivated deals over the last couple of days would indicate a directive from the ownership?

The Maloof/Petrie management group takes a serious hit on this one though.

This ESPN comment made me feel a little better....only a little though

“Simmons also has an expiring contract, so the Kings basically traded the salaries of Miller and Salmons for Nocioni’s.”

Kusian - February 18, 2009 reply

It's possible

I mean that’s the best case scenario. Worst case, he’s turning into Isaiah and no one has caught it yet.

It's even a question?

Although I wonder if he was pressured by Maloofs to cut costs now at the expense of eating Nocioni’s deal later (shades of the Webber deal, and we all know how that ended up).

Might be interesting to redo that Petrie poll after the dealine passes

TZ mentioned in his original post that he would

Can't wait to vote 0% for Petrie in the after trade deadline poll

What is in it for the Kings?

10 mil

off the books next year.

and instead

we have that amount more in the years after. This trade is a disaster by any rationale I can think of other than the Maloofs have a margin call and need to raise cash, now!

thekangarooster - February 18, 2009 reply

Even if that was the case

I can’t imagine this was the deal with the most cost savings out of everything on the table (whatever they really were).

The second coming of Kenny Thomas

Better remove all sharp objects from my home.

Sam Amick

Reporting it will probably be Cassell and Douby getting waived.

Nooooo

Now we don’t even get to see the Testicles dance.

Well, we can always do the "No testicles" dance

Better be another deal in the works involving the Wizards' 1st

Otherwise…

TheRaven - February 18, 2009 reply

That's already happened to me.

Hopefully I’ll grow the skin back by tomorrow.

Is that fire from the angry mob outside the Maloofs home? lol

This is

exactly how I feel right now

This is a great move

We have TONS of expiring contracts that come off the cap. I cannot believe how good this trade is I think it is indescribable. Cost savings may also help keep the team in Sacramento as well. This trade is not in a vacuum it solves lots of problems. Look at what comes off the cap after this season:

Bobby Brown – $0.44 Million
Sam Cassell – 0.80 Million
Bobby Jackson – 6.49 Million
Shelden Williams – 3.40 Million
Ike Diogu – 2.9 Million
Drew Gooden – 7.1 Million
Cedric Simmons – 1.7 Million

If we have none of those players back that is $24.25 Million off of the payroll. If we waive Mikki Moore we save approx 3 Million more. Nocioni’s contract goes down a small amount for the next two years and then back up in a team option year that we would only excercise if we used him in a trade in the offseason of 2012.

Remember we can be used in unuqual trades since we are below that salary cap. We can take on a fat salary and future first rounders in the offseason for the Wizards or Cavaliers or any team. Cap space leads to TONS of options especially in the hands of Petrie and the Kings. The players we received are almost irrelevant.

Are you the Maloof's accountant?

I am an accountant!

In no way affiliated with the Maloofs. We were under the cap which is why we traded Diogu’s 2.9 Million for Ruffin’s small salary.

Facetious comment

No offense – i guess the only way this makes sense is from a straight up numbers perspective.

My Bosses...

who are also accountants really like this trade, too! It must be a numbers or money thing. they even gave me the company tickets to tonights game!

That's exactly why it does make sense

Petrie’s not concerned what a few overzealous fans think now. It’s about the long haul.

kangsfan - February 18, 2009 reply

Overzealous or not

I like the game of basketball more than the business – shortsighted? So be it.

Don't get me wrong, I am dissapointed

However I still have faith in GP that he knows what he’s doing. They don’t pay us to speculate, and for good reason.

kangsfan - February 18, 2009 reply

Diogu isn't ours

Diogu is ours

ESPN

CAB - February 18, 2009 reply

Yes he is

Ruffin goes to Portland, Diogu comes here

Ah, sorry

I’ve changed my mind, I’m excited now. ;)

...

How does Diogu’s 2.9 million trade for Ruffin’s 0.7m?

trade execption maybe?

They're giving us a million dollars

Right

but we’re getting 2.9m + 1m cash and they’re taking back only 0.7m? Doesn’t fly.

We are under the cap

Thanks New Jersey for letting us have Shareef! He was a great citizen and his legit injury cave us cap room!

Yeeees it does

2.9 for .7 + 1 Mil

You have to pro-rate the saleries for the rest of the year

I don’t know how salaries are paid out in the NBA, but if it is based on games played, Portland has played 52 out of 82 games. Based on team payout during the season, Diogu is owed approximately $1.06 million, which is just $60k over what they are paying us based on the one mil stated by you. Maybe this trade gives Portland some cap relief, but I am making some assumptions, so does anyone know how player pay is scheduled?

hokiehess - February 18, 2009 reply

You have it backward sac

Wasn't there cash coming back?

add Bobby Brown?

Brown is insufficent

salary addition needs to be 1.9m according to Trade Machine.

The three way works

with or without Brown.

that's what she said.

Deez - February 18, 2009 reply

k

I was looking at it 2-way Kings/Blazers, with 3-way it works. My bad.

Without Brown

here

with Brown

But...

we could have saved as much with the Nets deal, without taking on the bad contract, plus we’d have gotten a young prospect in Ryan Anderson

Problem is

We don’t know if that offer was legitimately on the table. This is always the frustration with the post-trade analysis, we never do find out if these other deals were tangible or not.

If that deal was real

we have no idea who floated that rumor

I rec it

The only optimistic post. I like it. I’m with you.

Optimistic

But the bottom line is we traded probably our best chip (in Salmons) for very little talent in return. With Salmons, you would have hoped to get a draft pick back at the very least.

Bottom line

Salmons was not part of the future.

Ooops, now I have to rationalize that Nocioni is.

I think it was the price to dump Brad for the expirings.

The good: Nocioni shoots 38% from 3.

The bad: Nocioni shoots 41% overall.

Almost half his shots are threes. Maybe a change of scenery turns him into the second coming of Peja.

Nocioni is also the same age as Salmons.

Nocioni's contract is more money and a year longer than Salmons.

but he can come off the bench

if need be.

I think we could have done better trading Salmons seperately.

The OKC deal would have been better than getting another bad contract. Even if Nocioni helps a little I still think it sucks.

I'm not happy about taking on Nocioni

but I’m going with the idea that these cost cutting measures are required to keep the Kings in Sactown.

Obviously it was all for cost cutting.

But I still don’t have to like it. lol

Fair point

How sad

If that’s what this has come to

sorry, but

If we have to play the game handicapped because the Maloofs are too cheap to compete, they can go to hell and move the team.

The Family got their play toy, the play toy comes with ongoing expenses these extremely wealthy people were aware of and can afford. There’s no reason they can’t at least play within the rules. I’m not saying they need to be NYK or Portland, but all this consternation about the poor Maloofs makes me ill.

LOL

You’d be different, I’m sure.

I won’t ever be in danger of having the Maloofs financial “Problems” lol.

Nor I

I understand there is a financial side to this, and don’t decry the Maloofs for cutting costs…that’s the reality of doing business, play toy or not.

Fact is, Sacramento might not be the best town for an NBA team, especially in a recessed economy. I think we all may need to deal with that fact…

Does that make ForThree's point unreasonable?

I mean, if they can’t swing it, sell the team.

I think so

We are really in unprecedented financial times, at least in our history. The Maloofs aren’t the only ownership that’s looking to cut costs right now.

Do you really think there’s a market out there to buy an NBA team right now?

Reality is, they may be cutting costs in an effort to keep this team in Sacramento, rather than take the money that could be awaiting them in another city. If that’s the case, I’d feel pretty shitty villifying them.

I’m still on the “wait and see” bandwagon. Will there be another move? Will the team go after a free agent with the space they’ve created for next season, or will that money be sat upon? Those questions need to be answered before telling the Maloofs to “go to hell and move their team”.

I think your altruism in their motives is potentially naive

(Kfan in Korea skip this post) :)

They could be cutting costs because they have the cover to do so.

I don’t think there’s any correlation between whether the Maloofs move the team and them saving a few million in the short run and them moving the team.

They’ll move the team when they have a deal that is good enough for them to give up whatever amount of equity you think they have built up in Sacramento. The money gained or lost in the meantime isn’t relevant to the decision.

We shall see

I don’t necessarily see them as altruistic, but I think the idea that these guys should treat their businesses like playtoys is equally laughable.

I’ve never had a problem with the Maloofs (or other sports team owners) running their business like a business.

And it’s not like they’ve been sitting under the salary cap every year right? If they don’t go out and spend the money they’ve cleared off the cap, then you can bitch that they are cheapskates.

If that money does get spent, you might want to point your vitriol at the GM.

true

I’ve not had any issue with the Maloofs as owners except when they’ve (theoretically) made basketball decisions. I have nothing bad to say about the Maloofs to date.

I just have a problem with…the Kings are staying in Sac because of this trade…that’s not reasonable, imo.

While there may be some truth to that

Sac has been a good place financially in the past, if saving money in the short term bridges the team until those financial times are a reality again, then that’s a good thing.

Its hard to justify the current payroll by wins...

It is impossible to justify current payroll by wins

no matter how you slice it.

No way...

With credit spreads through the roof, and virtually every bank in existence being over-leveraged and under-capitalized, I can’t see any way that the team could be sold. Only way that deal goes through is if its an equity swap (Someone offers Maloofs a shit-ton of stock in something for their ownership of the Kings) or if it’s an all-cash deal.

misterbrister - February 18, 2009 reply

No consternation involved

but I’d be sad if the Kings left Sac and if believing that this move will help keep the team from moving allows me to better accept it, at least allow me my delusion.

I’ll be quiet about the Maloofs finances then Kfan, out of respect for your naivity. :)

Both good players

not shitbags…

That's great

Wanna bet we don’t acquire fat salary? This is a cost cut. So if we don’t, this is a bad deal. Even if we do, it depends on what we get.

Rec'd

just for the fact that you’re so optimistic.

You're missing the point

We are getting punished having to absorb Nocioni’s contract, which is a year longer than Salmons and slightly more money just to get rid of Miller one year earlier than he’d have left anyway.

Miller next year would actually have been an asset as a decent player with a giant expiring deal next year. All we got is we extended our crappy salary cap situation longer, on the hope Petrie can figure out something with slightly more cap space this summer than the MLE.

+1

something HAD to give

That’s pretty much what I thought when I first read about the trade. Of course we got garbage in return. We’re looking for expiring salaries. Maybe we could’ve gotten more value, maybe not. We don’t really know what’s on the table. Maybe we could’ve gotten better, but this is by no means a bad deal.

This is not the Webber deal. That deal pretty much just split a long, large contract into three long, smaller contracts. This deal gives us immediate flexibility and we don’t have to wait for years for contracts to expire. Yes, we have to take on Nocioni but he’s the only long-term piece and it’s a sacrifice I’m willing to make.

I think all the Amare talk led us all to dream up something big when in reality those deals may not have been as feasible as initially thought. Compared to an Amare deal, this trade is a huge letdown, but ultimately what matters is what the Kings do with the flexibility. Only then can we really judge this trade.

jveezy - February 18, 2009 reply

Funny thing

The peeps at Blog-a-Bull seem more excited about Brad Miller than John Salmons.

He's played there before

back when he was young and gave a shit

If not for the re-aquisition of BJax

This would be the official end of the Adelman-Kings era. Of course this has been upon us for some time, but moving BM52 makes it official. No hold overs because of extensions on our part.

tokyo - February 18, 2009 reply

Nocioni usually steps up his production during playoffs, so… oh wait…

henryclemente - February 18, 2009 reply

Lol

Nocioni

He also averages 5 rebounds a game too and is willing to come off the bench. We took Diogu off Portland’s hands for $1 Million cash (after paying his salary Maloof net 640 grand or so) to lower their luxury tax bill and/or to aloow them some flexibility in future trades. This is way better tyhan the Chris Webber trade and we only said we loved that when it went down.

Actually this pretty much exactly like the Webber trade

Better financial situation in the short term, worse in the long term.

Except Webber's contract was a huge liability

and Salmons/Miller were arguably assets

How is it worse in the long term?

We have Nocioni for 2 years and then a team option we will never pick up. And the 2 years we have him for his salary goes down small amounts.

I think Nocioni is on the hook for three years after this one

Then there is a team option

Otis is right.

He's a worse

and less valuable (in the trade market) player than Salmons.

To be fair

I don’t think he’s worse than Salmons.

Salmons had a good year in NBA’s worst team. That’s no big achievement.

Okay

I’ll disagree. Regardless, wasn’t Salmons more valuable than Noc as of today?

Yes

I’m just not sure about the comparison. Nocioni is a good player, he might be more useful than Salmons.

could be

Salmons wouldn’t do crap off the bench.

Nocioni is also emotional

which I think we lack

He also talks on defense

I think that’s the more important issue.

He's bigger (don't care what the stats say)

rebounds better and is a 3 pt specialist

for what its worth

Who's we?

I hated that trade when it happened, and it’s become a cancer that just won’t go away.

Have this crossed anyone's mind?

Maybe we had no better offer for Salmons.

Joe Smith and Wilcox went to NO, Dallas seems indifferent, the Blazers are thinking about 1000 trades….

Maybe this one was the best deal available and it’s sure better than doing nothing.

true

I'm not convinced it's better than nothing

its a hell of a lot worse than doing nothing in my opinion

Why for Salmons?

That's what I figured,

mentioned previously – if all Tyson Chandler was worth was a couple expirings, then I wasn’t surprised, really, about what we got.

Interesting to see if Cleaveland can turn Wally into anything.

This is such a bad trade.................

such a bad trade, the kings better justify this somehow.

How

much longer does Salmons have on his contract?

two years

Bulls Fan Here.

In my opinion this is a horrible trade for the Kings. Rew Gooden plats absolutely no D and will take more outside jumpers than your guards will. As for Noch I respect the effort he gives but he is a ballhog in the midst of his worst statistical season ever and don’t even get me started on the Albatross of a contract! I am not that excited about get B Miller due to the fact he plays a little to soft for my liking but John Salmons is a great addition who can get moved to the 3 behind Deng with either him or Heinrich coming of the bench 1st. Only + is Rew Gooden contract comes of the books next year.

Avrich - February 18, 2009 reply

Take

it from us …. salmons is a completely different player off the bench. If you want John to play well, the Bulls better start him. and he LOVES to dribble. Loves it.

Sound like Ben Gordon.

I think that why we pulled the trigger B.G is a unrestricted F.A. next year, this is a insurance policy.

Avrich - February 18, 2009 reply

I noticed the excitement from Bulls fans and the complaining by us Kings fans.

That should tell us we got the bad deal.

not so quick ....

Here’s a nice comment from ESPN’s story ….

So rather than attempt to use Gooden and Noc in a deal that could land an actual difference-maker, they go after Brad Miller. Again.

That’s it. I give up on this team until someone in the front office shows they have a clue what they’re doing.

You forget

Nocioni makes more than Salmons and has an extra year. That is the only real asset besides the cap space, depending if we use it or not. This summer will decide if this trade makes sense or not.

Even they spell it wrong!

DustyG - February 18, 2009 reply

This trade doesn’t look as good as we hoped but I think it’s far worse for the Bulls.

I don’t know much about your cap, but I guess it’s close to full for the next couple of years and you’re no contenders.

I think the bulls are another 2010 buyer which is Millers end year and get the extra year of Nocioni off the books.

Yea probably

But they won’t do much till then. And it’s a pity because they have a nice team. Plus they’ll have to resign the rookie contracts then.

True, buts thats a long time from now.

We Know Were Not Contenders! Duh.

But Salmons and Miller come off the books 2010, just in time for that amazing Free Agent Class (Bosh, I hope). And check out Noch’s contract. It’s Ridiculous! And We really needed a big man upgrade over Aaron Gray. Besides we have the future aka D Rose.

Avrich - February 18, 2009 reply

Salmons off 2011

How? They look to be in great position in 2010. Noc won’t supplant Deng, Gordon won’t resign cheap.

SeeingStars - February 18, 2009 reply

brb, gotta wrap up this e-mail to Petrie

jeremy548 - February 18, 2009 reply

Thank you

sign it for me

Kings received tons of expiring contracts

No team wanted to give us a draft pick for Salmons or Miller much like I would not want to give a draft pick for the possible Amar’e trade scenarios. I doubt anyone we traded for will be on the Kings next year except for Nocioni.

Let's hope not

That would take it from bad to worse.

Thats because we probably have a top three pick.

Yeah

Our pick will be great this year and the rockets will be about 23-25. We got that for Artest who is WORLDS better than Salmons.

We got much more than that for Artest

We got an expiring, Greene, and a pick.

Honestly

if the Kings get a good 10 mil a year FA like TZ said …. I think this is a good trade.

Shaking the Magic 8 ball

Signs point to no

http://web.ics.purdue.edu/~ssanty/cgi-bin/eightball.cgi

try this

Agree

The summer moves will decide what kind of value this trade gives us.

Which one?

Would they come? Aren’t the 2 relevant ones PFs?

who knows

if no one else offers them 10 mil a year …..

Who knows

is not a plan for success.

neither

is sitting on the players you have when you’re 11-43 and not doing anything.

Fair enough

Surely someone will offer Lee 10 million, I mean, I can’t imagine that not happening. Boozer? Do you want him long term? I’m not sure I do.

Kwame Brown

Welcome to Sac!!!

Please, don't even kid about those terrible things!

Boozer for 10m per season?

Yes.

No more Brad Miller!!!

DustyG - February 18, 2009 reply

and we can still sign Amare by dinner

Holmdel - February 18, 2009 reply

Bulls fan here...

I want to start out with an apology, I know it sucks to make bad trades. But really, this isnt as bad as it seems for you guys. You did give up a decent low post presence, but u got one back that does essentially the same exact thing. You also traded the future of your club (besides kevin of course) in john salmons but in return you got a guy who is going to come out a play his hardest every single night. Noc will probably be starting for you guys and with that role that hes never had im sure will come more responsibility, which he thrives on. Bulls got the better end of the deal talent wise, but its not that much to give up in exchange for some help with the wallet.

PS what is john salmons contract situation? expires in 11’?

rose23 - February 18, 2009 reply

John was never the future of our club.

He’s old. You got sourpuss Brad though.

Anyway, you guys got the better deal. Congrats.

No need to rub our noses in it.

We are screwed. Just make sure Vinny starts Salmons otherwise you’ll get nothing out of him.

it

expires in 2 years

You've evidently not seen much of Miller or Salmons...

Miller is allergic to the low post. He’s a high post center, good shooter, very good passer, worthless defender, and only a good rebounder occasionally. He will complement Tyrus Thomas nicely.

Salmons is easily the best player in the trade, is 29 and you’ll be very pleasently surprised how much better he makes you.

Salmons is the better player

but not if he comes off the bench. Otherwise – he does it all very well if any one thing excellently

Low post presence?

Miller does not qualify as a low post presence. Thanks for the expiring contracts!

We gave up a decent low post presence?

I thought we traded Miller and Salmons – who did I miss?

Sam Cassel's Balls.

He`s talking about our high post POINT CENTER !

hudson101 - February 18, 2009 reply

why anyone would commit all that $$ to BThriller is crazy to me

I like our chances using that cash to come up with a more valuable piece.

Holmdel - February 18, 2009 reply

I think most would agree

Question is who would we lure in with that money.

You should just be lucky we didnt give you Larry instead of Noc. And im sure Vinny wont start salmons, he doesnt seem to do many things correctly.

rose23 - February 18, 2009 reply

I'm sure Petrie tried that and was rebuffed out of pity.

At least Hughes expires in 2010

I'd have done that in a heart beat

He expires next year, which means next year he’s a trade asset like Miller would be.

This is not that bad of a deal

Just… Meh. Petrie obviously thinks highly of Niccioni and thinks he’s going to complement Shock and Hawes as the Kings frontcourt of the future. I just hope he’s right. (Nic can certainly rebound better than Salmons – which TZ has often noted is important for this team)

Now all we need is 2 decent guards – one of which will hopefully come in the draft.

thelettere - February 18, 2009 reply

Short-term future at least

He’s kind of old to look too far ahead. Perhaps an acceptable stop-gap until the bigger plan gets finished.

thelettere - February 18, 2009 reply

Yes it was the best deal available

“Sources say the Dallas Mavericks offered Jerry Stackhouse for Salmons, and the San Antonio Spurs were willing to part with Bruce Bowen and Ime Ukoda for him. Both Stackhouse and Bowen have partial guarantees for next season – $2 million each – that are cost prohibitive to Sacramento. League executives say the Kings preferred a straight expiring deal for Salmons before they found the Bulls’ deal.”

link

That's for Salmons though

who we could have held onto for net decent value in his play.

League executives say the Kings preferred a straight expiring deal for Salmons before they found the Bulls’ deal."

If this is true, the deal we got was better than what the deal Petrie was looking for.

I guess

you would rather have Larry, there is no talent for him to disrupt anyway.

rose23 - February 18, 2009 reply

ESPN Note

The Chicago-Sacramento trade is likely to be finalized later Wednesday, but one source close to the process cautioned that the deal could still be expanded to include additional players.

or picks, please?

or picks and players?

Ty Thomas and Douby and Noah, and Shelden and a Bulls #1!

Please.

Would GP immediately try to move Gooden now?

Gooden, K9 and Washington's #1

for Amare!

For the Washington pick

then the washington pick or ours, whichever is worse (both good) + expirings and maybe hawes for Amare!

or something...

A pick would help soften the blow for me.

I stop whining if we get a 1st rounder

I promise.

Washington's pick!!!

Washington's pick

Would make me go from about 25% faith in Geoff to 50%.

I was at 75% then this shit happened.

back to 100 for me

same here

Two top five picks - even in a weak year - that would be a biiiig Wow

I'm just happy we didn't get Eduardo Najera

I fucking hate Eduardo Najera.

Furthermore, upon reading the Bulls Blog side of it, they all seem to agree on two things about Nocioni: he’s overpaid, but he’s got a damn lot of heart. I would contend that possibly more than anything what this team needs right now is heart. That may seem cheesy, but I think it’s reasonable to suggest that two of the team’s biggest weaknesses, rebounding and defense, might improve drastically simply by swapping players who mostly don’t give a crap for at least one with strong will and something to prove.

I like where your head's at

I was about to come down and post something similar to this. I think Garcia and Nocioni will get along, and that their passion for the game will help the rest of the team. I mean, not to mention, Nocioni is a team player: he’s going to play hard every night, and it’s going to make a difference.

Also, without any real proof, I suspect that without Salmons and Brad in the locker room, the team might be able to gel better than they have so far and finally start moving forward a little bit instead of sitting in an awkward holding pattern.

bartenpa - February 18, 2009 reply

Good point

We shipped out the two moodiest guys on the team.

Can't argue there.

I've said it on about three threads now

but this team needs more emotion. Noce could be addition and make others better just on that

+ rebounds…

For sure

I suspect your suspicions re: Garcia/Nocioni and Salmons/Brad/locker room are spot on. At least, that’s exactly what I’m hoping.

I agree

He’s dirty. Right when C-webb came back from surgery, Ed was blatantly trying to kick/trip/hit that leg. Asshole. Hate him.

avishai - February 18, 2009 reply

Yeah

I was having a hard time remembering why I hate him so much, I just remember feeling like whenever he was on the court, everything was suddenly a lot less fun and a lot more “douchy”.

I think I blamed him for one of C-Webb's injuries

and those derailing our playoff chances. Hate that a-hole.

We could use a little 'tough guy' actually

Noce does add some of that as well

Yeah, that was totally a Cobra-Kai “Sweep the Leg” move by Najera.

LaBradford - February 18, 2009 reply

I would contend that possibly more than anything what this team needs right now is heart.

Rec’d.

Shows you Just how ugly the League is in terms of Financials right now.

When millers big expiring is worth so little that we have to attach one of the most reasonable contracts in the association to get someone to take on salary for a year.

When Chandler goes to OKC for next to nothing just so the Hornets can get out from under his contract (and hey the guy produced and without him they are not even close to contenders anymore).

When the nets are talking about trading Vince Carter to the Spurs for basically cap filler.

When an absolute superstar in the league (I don’t love me some Amare but he got voted by fans to the starting team of the west, the guy fills arenas regardless of what we the blogging stratosphere think of his D) is available to all and sundry and the best offer by all reports is average players back + a little expiring?

The secret is out, there are a lot of franchises out there who have been caught sans pants with regards to the money markets.

Theres some awfully awfully shallow pocketed ownership groups out there right now, and I think there are going to be some exceptionally unhappy Free Agents this summer when the offers start pouring in.

Fiscal responsibility just slapped the kings in the face like so much cold fish.

I hate the trade, I hate it worse than taking my wife to see P.S I love you, however I think it is a sign of the times that we are going to have to get acclimatised to. If the maloofs green light Geoff to use that cap space this summer i’d be surprised.

Bushka - February 18, 2009 reply

Honestly, I kind of hope they don't give Geoff the green light

…otherwise, how many shitty MLE’s can we get done for 10 mil? Is it too early to sign Mikki and Beno to extensions?

If the maloofs green light Geoff to use that cap space this summer i’d be surprised.

Agreed.

Sabonis4Ever - February 18, 2009 reply

Are they coming over too?

That’d sweeten the deal for me. Hell you could keep Ike.

Does that background look like Portland to you?

This picture was taken when he was at Arizona State.

Sabonis4Ever - February 18, 2009 reply

Who cares where they're at

Hot chicks in a hot tub. Gee, it matters if they were on Mars wouldn’t it?

Hello!

'I'd buy That for a dollar!'

hahaha

robocop is on Hulu. all three. awesomeness.

Remember the leaked photos from the Royal Court Dancer Thong Party?

Someone please put these girls in touch with those girls and provide them with a couple bottles of Cuervo, a digital camera, and an internet connection.

Objectifiers unite!

Nice Diogu's

I like

the two Is

I would definitely "dot" those 2 i's.

That pushes the buttons

Then you'll love this one:

The blonde on the left sure has a lot of heart.

bud-dum-dump-psshh.

Damn Ike !!

You might not make it as a Ball Player, so get as much of that as you can while you can bro !!!~!

Did we just jump to the front of the Amare list?

We didn’t trade the assets we were looking at giving Phoenix for Amare. The Bulls did. If he’s still available, are we on the inside track now?

None of those guys can be packaged now

so no, I don’t see what we could put together unless we get that pick from Washington – and even then?

Tough math

(plus it looks like Phx has decided to stand pat)

But - As has been pointed out, we now have 6 PFs

Something else is probably in the works

I'm saying

We still have Shelden, BJax, and JT if we wanted to make that offer.

Yep

They seem determined to get a high #1 though. We don’t give that up unless we get another.

and he's yet another freakin' PF

Implicit in this statement is the assumption that K9 is a power forward

Which I have seen no evidence of in the last several years.

LOL

Don't do it to yourself, man.

Don’t allow yourself to dream like that. After today, you should realize that those dreams will only have been shattered when you wake up Feb. 20th.

However, this works

on trade machine:
I put in Hawes, cuz I really don’t want to part w/ JT. Also, If it is JT AND our 1st pick that PHX wants, they can go fudge themselves. Now, if we can get a pick from CHI or the Wiz, I wouldn’t mind giving it to them w/ Hawes and HOU’s pick.

You didn't link an actual trade - just the machine

Goddamnit...

Sorry. It was supposed to be Moore, BJax, SWilliams & Hawes for Amar’e

Think about it

We still have a bunch of expiring contracts even after making this deal so we still wind up under the cap next year. Hard to say what’s gonna happen though. I hope this is a precursor to another deal because the team as constituted after this trade doesn’t make any sense.

Thanks, Brad. Thanks, John.

We’ll see you at your jersey retirement ceremonies.

Just kidding.

We’ll see you at your jersey ~~retirement~~ burning ceremonies.

Fixed.

Dude

That is some funnie sheet !!

Miller did the best he could with what he had.. which wasnt much. John was a solid player who went out and earned his paycheck every game, which is more than you can say about Brad.

It should be noted -

Statistically, Miller is very similar to Vlade when comparing both of them as Kings.

Much different guys in what they contributed off the court, though. Vlade brought the glue, while Brad sniffed it (sorry, very cheap parting shot).

section214 - February 19, 2009 reply

I hate this trade

Andres Nocioni isn’t worth the money, and giving up Salmons to accomplish this doesn’t make sense. Make the Bulls take Kenny Thomas instead. This trade sucks.

Money!!

The Kings saved a HUGE 10 million Pook! Isn’t that wonderful??!?

I am trying to be positive. It’s hard to do…

dalt99 - February 18, 2009 reply

more I think

A mil back fron Portland

It's not a terrible deal datl

My hope is that they think Nocioni is the type of player they can use off the bench, and provide the team with energy. I would much rather see Donte play with the starters, and Noc with the bench at this point.

I don’t really have a problem with the trade I guess. I’ll have a post on this when the valium & IB Profin wears off. I just had fillings & shit done, and I’m not feeling too hot. Especially when I’ve got a paper due on Friday. Truthfully, I think the Kings accomplished enough in this deal that it makes sense. If Noc helps fill the energy/rebounding/defense/can hit 3’s void this team needs help with, than I can live with this deal. I’ve seen worse. And the 10 million in cap relief definitely is something this team needed regardless. I’d give the trade a B.

once again

I agree with you, pookey.

No, it’s not a great deal, but the Kings didn’t have the pieces to go out and get a great deal. This is a pretty good deal, and when your team is as bad as the current one is, “pretty good” is a step forward.

I especially like the fact that Petrie added some guys who can play defense and rebound and play physical basketball. After we get a talent upgrade (post-draft and assuming a free agent addition) Nocioni could be a useful player off the bench.

Mucho Moss - February 19, 2009 reply

Are we acquiring Spanish speakers

so that Rubio will have someone to talk to and can translate and tell him what play they’re running? ;-)

hozr - February 18, 2009 reply

It's a well established trend in soccer

To acquire multiple players of similar cultural backgrounds to help foreigners settle better. Not saying they did it on purpose, just saying it might work.

bartenpa - February 18, 2009 reply

He already speaks English hozr

Reality

Thanks, Brad. Thanks, John.
We’ll see you at your jersey retirement ceremonies.

Just kidding.

This pretty much sums it up. None of the players in this deal are anything close to star material. So we dealt our crap for their crap. It’s nothing to get too excited or deflated about.

When you are 11-43, there are no bad trades. We really can’t get much worse.

We got rid of two guys who aren’t part of the future and added a little different wrinkle with Nocioni.

Do we really want to spend our time debating the relevant merits of Brad Miller vs. Drew Gooden?

I think the best thing is our young bigs don’t have Brad Miller looking over their shoulder anymore. No more Brad Ts and whining. No more Bad Brad.

The best thing about this trade is..

in a week we’ll have completely new stuff to bitch about rather than the same ole, same ole we’ve been bitching about so far this year.

New and different mistakes

I’m psyched!

bartenpa - February 18, 2009 reply

Awesome!!!!

New and different beards!

Hey thats my joke.

Ok

That last beard looks like Davy Jones… EGAD !!

I checked blogabull

Whatever else – we have much better members here

A lot of inane shit there

Nocioni kind of looks like

Beno’s dad, or at least his older brother.

Always screaming at Beno

“DAMMIT BENO! KEEP POSSESSION OF THE BALL! GO TO YOUR ROOM!”

http://www.newsday.com/sports/ny-spknix0218,0,7002831.story

In GP's defense

You don’t get to be a gm by being an idiot and we know Geoff doesn’t pull knee jerk reaction trades. Let’s face it, this was the best trade available. It just seems so disappointing because we were all expecting a big splash right away with all the rumors that were out there. But that’s the thing, rumors are just rumors. I find it hard to believe that Geoff had opportunities like sending K9 with Brad to Miami for Shawn Marion or trading Salmons+dump to the Blazers for expirings and didn’t do it (would have saved more money than this trade). The reality is that this trade yielded the most value compared to any other real opportunity that was out there otherwise GP would have done them instead.
Enough negatives have been posted already so Im just going to point out what I like about the trade. This trade doesn’t net an all-star right away but it will provide an opportunity to. I enjoy the fact that it saves about 10 mil? next year giving us a number of options (free agency/trade flexibility). Who knows, if we go under the cap next year, we might be able to save Phoenix some money and get Amare without losing JT/Hawes/lottery pick after all. Drew for Brad is a wash skills-wise but we don’t have to pay Drew next year if we don’t want to. Nocioni is not too bad to have around. I think he can compliment Kmart better than Salmons did. Can’t wait to see how irritated other teams become when Nocioni and Cisco are on the floor together.
Looking into next season, you still have young JT/Hawes who can only get better, Kmart, a high draft pick, financial flexibility, K9’s expiring contract that could yield something else and those are enough to keep me watching and hopeful. Patience is key and the future will vindicate present actions. GP, keep doing your thing.

creep - February 18, 2009 reply

Just Glad...

They finally got rid of Miller. Now when players go right up the middle and score, we can blame someone else.. or knock the guy on his arse… Nocioni doesn’t allow easy layups. Salmons was no big loss either. His jumper was pretty iffy, and when it wasnt going down, he was very predictable driving the lane for an offensive foul, a turnover, or a prayer. A SHOOTING guard in the NBA has to make SHOTS. The NBA is riddled with athletic 1.5 guards that can jump out of the GYM but cant consistently make a 15 footer.

I think that Gooden is a money deal only. His best days are WAY behind him. He can still play, but the Kings aren’t going to resign him. Not with the young promising power forward they already have. My hope is the Maloofs are gearing up to make a big splash next year with a Homerun Draft by “The Genius” Geoff Petrie, coupled with a Homerun Free Agent signing using all that money that the Maloofs have been claiming they were putting aside for the future. That is really the only way to resurrect this franchise and put Sacramento back on the NBA map. They haven’t been relevant since CWEBB heard a “POP”. Damn shame that was…

But After reading in the NY Times that the Maloofs were caught up in the Madoff scandal, I am afraid that the salary dumping might be motivated by financial fear more than by clever design. If that is the case, we are in for some youth basketball for several years to come. Kinda like AAU / Recreation League games, but they want you to pay 20 bucks just to park (WHAT? No wash and wax???) and 40 bones for a seat. That is really gonna be a hard sell. Yea, if the Maloofs try to go cheap on the fans, It ain’t going to be hard to figure it out. I have also read that a lot of teams are using the 2010 free agent free-for-all as a smoke screen excuse to dump salary and then hunker down and wait the recession out. So if the Kings do NOT spend the alleged windfall from all the REALLY bad trades (Bibby, Artest, Webber, and now Miller) that we got no talent in return for, then we will know how the Maloofs financial house is doing. Sure hope that gamboling hall they got in Vegas is doing well. One positive is the money the City wil save because there is no use building a New Arena for CRICKETS….