The Kings have a glaring rotational weakness at the Small Forward, and have had one ever since shipping Ron Artest Metta World Peace out. Nobody that they have brought in since has been able to make the consistent type of impact that we've desired. In the Artest trade, the Kings brought back Donté Greene, a Forward brimming with potential, but who has not yet managed to piece it all together. The next year they drafted Omri Casspi, who for a while looked like he might be the future at the position before petering out and eventually being traded. Francisco Garcia has been our most consistent Small Forward, but he's really a guard, and for every good decision he makes, he also makes a boneheaded one.
The Kings once again tried to address this weakness this summer. First, there was the very controversial trade to move down in the draft and re-acquire John Salmons. The idea was sound (get a veteran who can defend and hit his threes) but it hasn't worked out that way to date. Salmons has had problems on defense with some of the bigger and better SFs in this league, and on offense he's been awful, shooting just 36.5% from the field (worst percentage in his career) and 22.2% from three (also the worst percentage). The team also picked up Travis Outlaw, coming off the worst season of his career, off the Amnesty Wire. Outlaw has probably been the worst performer on the court of any King so far this season, shooting just 25% overall and 11.8% from three. Tyler Honeycutt, the rookie SF the Kings drafted this year, does not have an NBA body, and is currently struggling against D-League competition.
The Kings purportedly went after Andrei Kirilenko as well this offseason, only to be rebuffed as he chose to remain with CSKA Moscow for the rest of the year. Kirilenko would have been a solid acquisition, a good team defender and a player who could have contributed in many ways, both at the SF and PF.
The Kings need to acquire a Small Forward, and not just a stopgap, but someone who could man the spot for several years. The Kings need three main things from their Small Forward: Defense, the ability to hit the open shot, and most importantly, consistency.

The following is a list of every SF in the NBA, as well as a couple of Free Agents and College Players in the Upcoming Draft. I'm going to take a look at whether they'd be an upgrade, what they provide, and how available they might be.
Philadelphia:
- Andre Iguodala - Iggy would be near the top of many Kings fans lists. He's one of the better perimeter defenders in the NBA, in his prime, and can score, pass, and rebound. Unfortunately for us, Philadelphia knows this and they really like him. The 76ers are playing very well right now, and I don't see them trading Iggy for the peanuts we'd offer them.
- Thaddeus Young - Thad Young is more of a stretch 4 than a pure SF, but he'd still be an upgrade at the position over what we have. The 76ers just invested a lot of money in him this summer though, and he's a key part to their bench.
- Andres Nocioni - Been there, done that.
New York:
- Carmelo Anthony - Superstar, not going anywhere
- Renaldo Balkman - Balkman is very athletic and a super rebounder for his position. He doesn't do much else. Not an upgrade.
- Landry Fields - A surprise rookie from last year that is currently in a bit of a slump this season. But Fields can do a little bit of everything, while not being great at any one thing. He'd be worth taking a look at if he ever became available.
- Jared Jeffries - A guy who kind of defends well sometimes and does nothing else of use, unless you like fumbled passes and missed shots.
- Steve Novak - A spot-up three point shooter and that's it.
- Bill Walker - Walker is athletic and a good shooter. He's better than you think, but he's not the solution we're looking for.
Boston:
- Marquis Daniels - Hasn't been the same since last year's injury. He's a Point Forward type, and doesn't have much range on his shot anyway.
- Sasha Pavlovic - Possibly the most overrated spot-up shooter in the NBA.
- Paul Pierce - Former Superstar, still really good. Not going anywhere.
- Mickael Pietrus - Good defender and a good shooter, but he's always excelled in a bench role, not in the kind of heavy minutes we'd want from him. He's more roleplayer material.
Toronto:
- Rasual Butler - Spot-up shooter
- Gary Forbes - He had an alright rookie year in Denver, but his ceiling is not much higher than a backup or 3rd string SF.
- Linas Kleiza - Remember when we wanted to trade Artest for this guy? His production has fallen in recent years thanks to a couple injuries, yet he keeps shooting at the same rate despite his shot not falling. He's kind of like a younger Nocioni, which would be nice if he could also get his shot back.
- James Johnson - Donté Greene East
New Jersey:
- MarShon Brooks - Early contender for Rookie of the Year. He has proven he can score on a New Jersey team bereft of scorers.
- Damion James - A super rebounding Small Forward with no range, although he plays good defense. Kind of reminds me of Gerald Wallace without the superhuman athleticism.
- Shawne Williams - Likes to shoot, isn't particularly good at it other than a 40% year from three last year in New York.
OKC:
Portland:
- Luke Babbitt - If you are a team, you probably don't want Babbitt. If you are a player, you want Luke Babbitt's agent. How this guy rose from 2nd round status all the way to near lottery after the college season was over is beyond me. Anyway, he was an excellent shooter in college, but hasn't seen many NBA minutes yet, and the ones he has seen haven't been good.
- Nicolas Batum - Another guy at the top of a lot of Kings fans list. Good shooter, athletic, and turning into a very good defender. He's going to be a restricted Free Agent after this year, and if he doesn't get an extension, the Kings should chase him hard.
- Gerald Wallace - Gerald has evolved from garbage time rookie into great all-around player. He can make plays on both ends of the court. Portland is currently looking to lock him up for good, and while Wallace is not seeking an extension, it's only because if he waits till this summer, Portland can then offer him 5 years instead of 4.
- Wesley Matthews - It'd be a bit of a stretch to play Wes at the SF for us, but it would still be an upgrade. Matthews made his mark early on with his defense, which got him rotation minutes with Utah, and then he became a very good three point shooter as well. I'm still mad that we had this guy on our summer league team during his rookie year and didn't give him a closer look.
Denver:
- Corey Brewer - If Donté ever becomes as good as Corey Brewer is now, I'll be happy. That's not to say Corey Brewer is all that good, but he's become a consistently good defender, and a decent shooter.
- DeMarre Carroll - He could double as Slamson with his hair. But on the court... I'd rather have Outlaw.
- Danilo Gallinari - Gallinari is a big part of why Denver has become such a good team even without Melo. He's not averaging as many points as Melo was, but the 17.2 he is averaging is being done much more efficiently (He has a 58.8% career True Shooting %), and unlike Melo, he actually tries on defense. He also rebounds well and doesn't turn the ball over nearly ever. He'll be a RFA this year, and I'd be surprised if Denver didn't lock him up early.
- Al Harrington - More of a stretch 4 than a true 3, and he tends to take too many shots. He'd be an upgrade in Sacramento, but only a temporary one. Besides, he's thriving in Denver coming off the bench as a scorer.
Utah:
- Gordon Hayward - A rookie that got consistently better as the season went on last year. He's very fluid offensively, but has trouble on the defensive end. He's off to a bad start this year, but there is still potential here.
- Josh Howard - A few years ago, Howard was considered one of the up and comers in the NBA, but a couple knee surgeries later, and he's lost a lot of the athleticism that made him so good.
- C.J. Miles - Miles is a streaky shooter, which isn't what we need.
Minnesota:
- Michael Beasley - I know there are Kings fans out there interested in Beasley, and he may well come available depending on the growth of Derrick Williams. He plays SF for the Timberwolves, but he's more of a stretch 4. Beasley is a scorer, first and foremost, and he uses up a bunch of possessions to get his shots. The Kings have three of those guys in the starting lineup already in Tyreke, Marcus and DeMarcus, and probably don't need another one, especially since Beasley has shown no inclination to ever play defense.
- Wesley Johnson - Johnson might well best be remembered as the guy the Timberwolves drafted ahead of DeMarcus Cousins and Greg Monroe. He has not been good in his short stint in the NBA.
- Derrick Williams - Adelman sees Williams as more of a strech 4, and I agree with that, although he'll probably play a lot of SF next to Kevin Love in the future. Minnesota isn't going to give up on him.
- Anthony Randolph - How many stretch 4s does Minnesota have? Randolph is another one of those guys with a whole bunch of potential that can't seem to put it all together, for whatever reason. Not sure I'd want him in Sacramento, and not at the three spot, which is where we need the help.
LAL:
- Matt Barnes - He's evolved a bit since he's left Sacramento, becoming a very physical defender and a better shooter (although he's still not a good shooter). It's telling how bad our SF rotation is that I consider Barnes almost an upgrade.
- Devin Ebanks - I'm convinced the Lakers managed to clone Trevor Ariza and Devin Ebanks is this clone. Ebanks has shown flashes in L.A. but nothing consistent. The Kings need immediate production, and I don't think Ebanks provides that.
- Luke Walton - A very underrated passer. That's pretty much it. The reason he passes is because he can't do anything else (although he can be a decent spot-up shooter).
- Jason Kapono - Does one thing and one thing only: Shoot threes, and shoot them well.
LAC:
- Caron Butler - A better, more injury prone version of John Salmons. Just locked up to a 3 year, $24 million deal though, which is a little too much for my taste.
- Ryan Gomes - A stretch 4 that isn't particularly good at anything a SF does, but can put a body on big guys and get them away from the hoop on the other end.
Phoenix:
- Josh Childress - After a promising start to his career in Atlanta, he left the NBA for three years to go play in Greece. He came back last year, locking up a big deal with Phoenix but being a bit of a disappointment. Childress excels at getting to the basket and in the mid-range game, and has shot over 50% from the field in 4 of his 6 NBA seasons. He's not the best 3 Point shooter, but he's good enough to keep defenses honest. Defensively, he's long and athletic, if not fundamentally sound.
- Jared Dudley - Has benefited so much from the tutelage of Grant Hill and Steve Nash. He has improved every year he's been in the NBA. In particular, his three point shot has been excellent, and he's expanded other parts of his game as well.
- Grant Hill - A great veteran leader to have on your team. I'm not sure why he chose to stay in Phoenix instead of going for a ring, but he did, and he'll likely finish his career there when this contract finishes as he'll be 40 years old.
Golden State:
- Dominic McGuire - Been there done that. McGuire can be a very good defender and rebounder, but can't shoot from anywhere on the court.
- Brandon Rush - Rush has been a good shooter in all 4 years of his career so far. He's more of a Shooting Guard, and he doesn't do much other than shoot.
- Dorell Wright - One of my favorite young SFs in the league. Golden State got him for less than the MLE the year before last and that deal is looking like an absolute steal. Wright led the league in threes made and attempted last year, and he's also a solid rebounder and defender at his position (although he's a bit undersized to guard the 3).
Chicago:
- Jimmy Butler - Hard worker, but otherwise unproven rookie.
- Luol Deng - This guy is probably untouchable from Chicago's point of view. He seems to be a real glue guy, plus he is one of the better SFs in the league on both ends of the court. There are injury concerns with him, but he's been healthy the last few years, and he's still not even 27 years old yet. Deng is part of Chicago's future going forward.
- Kyle Korver - One of the best shooters to ever play. He's not a good individual defender, but has become a good team defender in Chicago's system. He's a solid vet, especially coming off your bench. You probably don't want him starting.
Indiana:
- Paul George - This guy could be the key to Indiana's future. He came into the NBA primarily known as a scorer, and yet that came against mediocre competition. But he earned minutes and recognition last year for his defense, being able to guard almost any position from the PG to SF. This year he's been even better, shooting the three at a ridiculous rate (55.6% through 10 games). George is probably considered untouchable by the Pacers, and for good reason.
- Danny Granger - One of my favorite players in the NBA, Granger is an excellent shooter anywhere on the floor and is also decent defensively. The only problem with Granger is that he is used to being the primary scorer, and I don't know how he'd mesh here with a bunch of other guys looking to score. I also don't see how we could get him without giving up Tyreke Evans or DeMarcus Cousins. Indiana really likes him, and they're playing well right now, even with Granger currently struggling.
Cleveland:
- Omri Casspi - It's sad to see how bad Omri is playing in Cleveland. His numbers are down across the board, and he's not even rebounding half as much as he was in Sacramento. I still hope he can become a good player in the NBA, but right now it doesn't look like he will be.
- Christian Eyenga - Eyenga can't get minutes on a Cavalier team desperate for production on the wings.
- Alonzo Gee - Gee keeps bouncing around the league, showing promising flashes with each team he's been, but never being consistent enough to keep.
- Antawn Jamison - Jamison is nearing the end of his career, and it's showing in his play. Yet he has a whopping 27.9% Usage Rate for Cleveland. Jamison has never been comfortable as a role player and that's what he'd need to be here.
- Anthony Parker - If Caron Butler is a better John Salmons, Anthony Parker is a worse John Salmons.
Milwaukee:
- Carlos Delfino - Delfino is a decent all-around player, a good shooter, good rebounder, and good passer. He's more comfortable at the SG position, but I think he could play SF.
- Mike Dunleavy - Dunleavy is a Point Forward and a good shooter and rebounder. He's also very injury prone and continues to miss games with nagging injuries. His defense isn't the greatest either.
- Tobias Harris - More of an undersized 4 that can play the 3, kind of like Corliss Williamson. Milwaukee has no incentive to let go of him yet.
- Ersan Ilyasova - Ilyasova can play both the 3 and the 4, and is a very tough and physical player. He's an excellent rebounder, and a decent shooter.
- Stephen Jackson - Jackson is a good defender, and sometimes a good scorer. Unfortunately for the team he's on, he always thinks he's a good scorer, and puts up a lot of shots at a very inefficient rate. His percentages have been dipping over the last couple years and that trend has continued into this year. He'd probably be better than what we have now, but I don't like his attitude and he's definitely not a long term solution.
- Luc Mbah a Moute - A guy who can defend almost every position and rebound well too. He takes what the defense gives him on offense, but has little range on his shot.
Detroit:
- Austin Daye - I don't know why, but I just don't like Austin Daye. He had a decent year last year, particularly shooting the ball, and he's also a good rebounder and shotblocker for how skinny he is. A lot of people make the comparison to teammate Tayshaun Prince, but I see more Francisco Garcia, and we already have Francisco Garcia.
- Jonas Jerebko - The Swede has been a surprise coming into the NBA. Detroit plays him primarily as a stretch 4, although he's the type of stretch 4 that can bang down low with his opponents as well. He shows a lot of tenacity on the defensive end and his offensive game is still evolving.
- Tayshaun Prince - I was very surprised to see Prince return to Detroit, especially after last year's debacle that ousted Coach John Kuester. Prince is a good defender, and on offense can both shoot it from outside or take you inside. He's interchangeable at the 3 and the 4. He has struggled a bit to start this season, but I'm unsure if age is catching up to him or it's just the compressed season at work. He wouldn't be a long term solution for Sacramento, but he'd be a definite upgrade if he ever became available.
- Damien Wilkins - He's definitely not his uncle, that's for sure.
Miami:
- LeBron James - Superstar, not going anywhere
- Shane Battier - A little old, but almost exactly the type of guy we need: a great defender and a spot up three point shooter. Plus he'd be a great mentor for the young guys. I don't see Miami giving him up unless we're willing to part with a young asset however, and I'm not sure how much run we'd get from Battier before his age catches up with him.
- James Jones - A spot-up three point shooter with the easiest job in the NBA, since the other team has to focus on LeBron, Wade, or Bosh, leaving Jones open for open threes a lot. Almost all of his shots the last few years have been 3PA and he's converted them at a 40+% rate. He doesn't provide much other than that though.
Orlando:
- Hedo Turkoglu - Brother Hedo thrives best with the ball in his hands running the offense, and that's been his role in Orlando. He's still a good a shooter as ever, and he's actually not as bad of a defender as you would think. The biggest problems with Hedo are his age (almost 33 years old) and his contract (3 years, $29 million guaranteed). He also suffered playing in Toronto and Phoenix without the ball in his hands as much. Still, Hedo'd be a definite upgrade for the Kings, even if John Salmons was playing like we had hoped he might. If Dwight gets traded and the Magic need a third team to absorb Hedo's contract, I could see Hedo coming here and Salmons going out in such a trade.
- Quentin Richardson - An aging spot-up 3 point shooter who is also injury prone.
- Jason Richardson - More of a guard and a scorer than we need.
Atlanta:
- Joe Johnson - Atlanta's star, and still a really good player even if he is overpaid. He can play 3 positions on both ends of the court.
- Tracy McGrady - The one thing I like about McGrady is he has gone the opposite of the Iverson route and embraced the fact that he is no longer as good as he was and will never be, and has focused instead on being a great roleplayer.
- Josh Smith - Smith is a 5 by 5 threat every night. He lacks a good shot, but finishes very well around the rim, and he's shot between 48-50% from the field for the last 4 years. He rebounds, he passes, he defends, and he's got amazing athleticism. He reminds me a lot of Kirilenko before the injuries. He'd be a great fit for Sacramento, but unfortunately I don't see Atlanta moving him anytime soon, mainly because he's really good and is just entering his prime.
- Jerry Stackhouse - Jerry Stackhouse is still in the league? Why?
- Marvin Williams - Williams likely will never shake off the fact that he was drafted ahead of Chris Paul and Deron Williams. That doesn't mean he's not a good player though. Of Atlanta's wings, I could see Williams being moved if only to cut some salary since he is a bit overpaid. He's still young though, and while he can't hit threes with consistency, he makes a lot of his twos and defends and rebounds well.
Charlotte:
- Derrick Brown - Hasn't shown much in his first three years in the NBA.
- Boris Diaw - Weird combination of talents from this guy. He could probably play every position in the NBA, and either be really good or really bad. He's a point forward and runs a lot of the offense for Charlotte. He's a decent shooter, but not great. His defense is bad, and he's probably too slow to guard SFs. He's also overpaid. Yet I'm still intrigued, if only because he's so unique. Still, I'd probably pass.
- Corey Maggette - You know what you're getting from Maggette: Free Throws. He attacks the basket at every opportunity with the intention of getting to the line, and he's very good at it. He's also a good rebounder, but not nearly as good a defender as he should be with his athleticism and strength.
Washington:
- Rashard Lewis - Most overpaid player in the league. Isn't playing well for a struggling Wizards team.
- Chris Singleton - Coming into the NBA, he was known for his defense. I haven't watched him play yet, but just judging from the stats, he's done well so far through 10 games.
- Jan Vesely - Hasn't played enough to get a feel for him yet. I did write this about him pre-draft however.
San Antonio:
- Danny Green - Has played well for San Antonio so far. He's a good shooter, and decent defender too thanks to this athleticism. He might well develop nicely under Popovich's tutelage.
- Richard Jefferson - Has transformed his game in San Antonio to fit the needs of the Spurs and has done so extraordinarily well. His biggest change was becoming a better spot-up shooter, and it shows in his three point percentages (44% last year and 55.6% so far this year). Rumor had it the Spurs were going to amnesty Jefferson this past offseason but they never did. If he ever does get amnestied though, he'd be a good pickup, despite his age.
- Kawhi Leonard - Leonard is doing exactly what we thought he'd be doing so far: playing good D, rebounding well, finishing well at the rim, and struggling with his outside shot. That was a good trade for San Antonio to pick up a lottery talent for George Hill.
Dallas:
- Vince Carter - Carter keeps getting worse and worse as the years and injuries pile up. He's still a good shooter from outside, but that's about it at this point.
- Shawn Marion - Marion is still a good defender and rebounder. His outside shot has abandoned him, but he's still good at getting to the basket and converting.
- Lamar Odom - Odom has been playing absolutely terrible for Dallas so far this year, shooting just 29.5% from the field despite a higher usage rate. This is probably just a slump for Odom as well as an adjustment to a new system. Odom is an excellent rebounder and passer, and a decent defender as well.
Memphis:
- Dante Cunningham - An undersized PF that can't shoot, but is very athletic and can block some shots and rebound well at the 3.
- Rudy Gay - Gay can be an incredible scorer, and there have been rumors that he may be available since Memphis is near the tax and almost made it to the Western Conference Finals without him last year. I think that logic is flawed however. Memphis gave Gay a max contract because they really like him, and if they made it so far without him last year, they might well be able to go farther with him. I don't think he's available, and not for what the Kings would offer. I'm not sure he'd be the greatest fit here either, considering he's primarily a scorer.
- Quincy Pondexter - Can be a good role player in a couple years if he keeps growing. He needs to work on his outside shot.
- Sam Young - Young is already a good roleplayer, a good rebounder and decent from 15 feet in. He puts a lot of effort on defense, and while he's already 26 is still growing as a player. His outside shot needs a lot of work but if he ever got one he'd be the type of guy every team would want.
Houston:
- Chase Budinger - Budinger is a very athletic guard/forward that can do a little bit of everything. He reminds me a bit of a poor man's Brent Barry. He struggles on the defensive side of things however, and has struggled in a starting role this season with Houston.
- Chandler Parsons - Parsons reminds me a lot of Landry Fields in that he can shoot the ball, defend, and rebounds well. He's taken over the starting duties already in Houston.
- Terrence Williams - Williams is one of those frustrating players who could be amazing, but doesn't put the work in that is needed to become amazing. He's also known as a bit of a headcase, and I don't think we need another one.
New Orleans:
- Al-Farouq Aminu - Aminu went high in the lottery last year because he has the potential to be able to do a lot of things. He's super athletic, but there were questions about his drive. He's a good rebounder, but a terrible shooter, shooting sub-40% from the field so far in his career.
- Trevor Ariza - There are some serious pros and cons with Ariza. Pro: He's a great perimeter defender. Cons: He thinks he's a way better shooter than he is.
- DaJuan Summers - I know he had a great summer league before his rookie season, but he hasn't shown anything in the NBA yet other than being a decent shooter. Perhaps he'll be able to get a better chance in New Orleans.
Notable Free Agents:
- Andrei Kirilenko - Kirilenko isn't coming over this year but could still be a target this upcoming offseason. Great team defender, and not a black hole on offense.
- Wilson Chandler - Currently in China and coming to the NBA sometimes in March. Denver still has his rights and he's a RFA so they can match any offers. He's a solid shooter, although he's more of a slasher, and his defense has improved. He could potentially be a good fit for many years to come. I wonder if Denver would match an offer in the $8 million a year range, because I think I'd be willing to offer that.
Notable SFs In the Upcoming Draft:
- Harrison Barnes - A Potential #1 pick, and probable top 3. Barnes is an excellent scorer, and has the tools to become a very good defender as well.
- Michael Gilchrist - Kind of like Kawhi Leonard from last year, excellent defender and rebounder, struggles with his outside shot.
- Terrence Jones - More of a stretch 4 than a true 3. DX compares him to Al Harrington.
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I don't know if any of the above players could solve the Kings woes. I do know that I do not have any faith in any of the Small Forwards currently on the Kings roster. Even if John Salmons manages to turn it around, he's not a permanent solution. Moving Tyreke Evans to the SF is another option that I've heard, but it's not the ideal fit to me. The Kings need to acquire someone at the SF position that can anchor that spot night in and night out, and do so for a few years.
I still have hope for Donte
Seriously, all he needs is a consistent three point jumper and he’s perfect. Huge, athletic, good defender, plays well off the ball, has demonstrated on-court chemistry with Reke and Demarcus.
Just have to get rid of Salmons somehow
Scirocco - January 12, 2012
Easy
Amnesty
SharkKings49 - January 12, 2012
me too
I really think Donte SHOULD be the Kings starting SF, he is an ideal fit with a more consistent spot up jump shot. But its up to him to make it happen
But I still think Salmons is a much better option as backup SF than Outlaw.
garylicious - January 12, 2012
Don't wanna burst the Donte bubble,
but Donte’s decision-making is just terrible. He has the tendency to jack up threes early in the possession the moment he touches the ball, and he hasn’t shown the desire to get in the lane or develop a post-game to take advantage of his height. He can defend, though.
al_lives - January 13, 2012
His ball handling when driving is not that great
He does shoot early, but I wouldn’t constitute most of them as bad shots since he’s usually open. I agree, he should move the ball more
raiderking21 - January 13, 2012
Donte's ball handling skill aren't horrible
he does bring the ball up at times and we’ve seen him lead the fast break and pass for a dunk in the Toronto game. But, really, how many 6-10/ 7-0 guys do you see driving to the basket from beyond the 3pt line successfully?
PW never let Omri or Donte play much inside the 3pt arc. The stand in the corner or up the side line FT extended, and waited for the kick out. And, since Smart took over Donte’s played more 4 which is why his rebounding stats look better.
Just like JJ, Donte needs the ball inside 15 ft to be able to get off a decent shot off of one or two dribbles. Just like the one in the last game where he dribbled the baseline elevated in front of the rim and banked it in. Give Donte or JJ the ball inside 15 feet slashing to the rim or where they can use their length and leaping ability to their advantage, and they’ll both score well. And, Donte has the added bonus of being able to hit the corner 3.
HighTops - January 13, 2012
Like Donte at the 4
I know I’ve said it about 20 times but still like him at the 4.
wallywagon11 - January 14, 2012
He's young enough to still turn it around
I always forget he’s only 23. I’d love to see Donte become consistent, but the lack of improvement is really discouraging(this is his 4th NBA season)
HeuristicLineup - January 13, 2012
Well what he's had 3-4 coaches in four years?
Not saying that he’s not entirely to blame, but that has got to be tough. JT has gotten through it though
raiderking21 - January 13, 2012
JT didn't have as much competition at his position
so he got minutes by default which helped him perfect his game. Donte came in after one year of college not 4 years like JT, who is 2 years older. And, JT’s role hasn’t changed since he was drafted, while Donte was put in a role by PW that doesn’t match his talent.
PW put Omri and Donte on short leashes and had them standing outside the 3pt line waiting for the kick out. Both players thrive around the basket and finish above the rim. In PW’s first year, Donte had his best season averaging 44% from the field and 38% from beyond the arc. He shot 59% at the rim and had a eFG% of 57% from beyond the arc on 7 FGA’s per game. His shot attempts dropped to 5.6 last season and he’s only averaging 3 this year.
JJ had his best season when he played along with someone who could set him up around the rim. That has never happened for Donte, but it’s exactly what he needs. If we actually had a coach that ran plays for the players that don’t create for themselves well, there would be a lot of players with better stats and careers.
HighTops - January 13, 2012
Yeah, he's our Alex Smith
SPTSJUNKIE - January 13, 2012
So you don't see a scenario where we can procure that Durant kid's services huh?
otis29 - January 12, 2012
Not legally.
Aykis16 - January 12, 2012
Nice work!
Seems like the list contains two types of guys: good players that we really don’t have much of a chance to get or guys that we shouldn’t touch with a 10 foot pole. Quite the predicament…
outrider - January 12, 2012
and we already have 2 of the latter type ...
in Salmons and Outlaw … amazing what you can get for $11MM per year?!
Watty4ever - January 13, 2012
Harrison Barnes!
lodisacfan - January 12, 2012
This
Doors Open - January 12, 2012
I feel like I'm stuck in Sacramento's version of Groundhog Day
deadenddude - January 12, 2012
Thanks for reminding me Sonny
lietothegirls - January 13, 2012
I'd forgotten that all they got for MWP ended up being Casspi and Greene
what a rip off. Another terrible Petrie trade. Artest could have helped this team far more over the last few years than what they got back for him.
deadenddude - January 12, 2012
Strongly disagree
Artest had announced that he wanted to be the man for the Kings, and to be paid like one. There is no way that he would have stuck around here and been happy.
Artest had devalued himself with his antics. The Kings got all that they could hoped to have gotten for him – the equivalent of two non-lottery picks and the return of B-Jax.
section214 - January 12, 2012
I love B-Jax but he was pretty much done by that time
and Green and Casspi have been non factors for the most part. The Lakers obviously didn’t feel he’d devalued himself that much.
deadenddude - January 12, 2012
The Lakers signed Artest after they let Ariza skip
And there is a big difference between Ron Artest being the 3rd-4th best guy on your team and him being the self-proclaimed best player on your team.
You want to believe that Artest would have prospered here had he stayed? That’s your right. But the truth is that Ron-Ron in Sac had run its course, everyone knew it, and Petrie was able to secure at least a couple of non-lottery picks for a guy that the Kings were not going to overpay to retain.
Petrie has done enough wrong that we don’t have to start with revisionist history to make him look worse.
section214 - January 12, 2012
I'm not revising anything
I thought it was a poor trade at the time as well.
deadenddude - January 12, 2012
Then let's be fair
Artest has been Meh-ta World Peace since he left. He had one year in Houston where he averaged 17 a game, but at the end of his run the Rockets let him go for nothing, and Rockets fans were shedding no tears when they replaced him with Ariza. Statistically, he has really done little for the Lakers – he was a nice 4th man behind Kobe, Pau and Odom when they won it all, and he was a disappointment last year and this. So what do you perceive Artest’s value to be? Why do you think that he would have been better here when he has not been that great anywhere since he left?
I think that you are severely overvaluing Artest’s value at the time of the trade, as well as his perfomance since. The trade may have been a non-deal, but I don’t think that it even remotely rates out as a bad deal.
section214 - January 12, 2012
And 1 -
You want to knock Petrie for an Artest trade? Knock him for the Peja deal. Bringing Artest here set the rebuilding efforts back at least two years.
section214 - January 12, 2012
That's a fair point
The Artest was sub .500 ball. I blame the Kings for trying to build a team around Artest, though, when really he should have been a 2nd or 3rd option.
deadenddude - January 12, 2012
Could have been a bottom team a year or 2 earlier
had a top 5 pick in the 2 drafts that had Durant, Hortford, Rose, Love, Westbrook. We could have potenially had a team built around Hortford and Westbrook or Durant and Love.
Tyreke and Cousins may be there someday, but with Durant and Love we could be watching 2 allstars on the Kings. Then again, we could have drafted Oden and Beasley if this happened.
SharkKings49 - January 12, 2012
This is the main point about Artest
I still point to this trade as to when things went sideways for the Kings.
MichaelMack - January 12, 2012
The team should have been blown up earlier than Artest
by 2005 it was clear (in retrospect anyway) that is was over.
lietothegirls - January 13, 2012
I don't think you understand how little value Artest had
He was a declining 28 year old who refused to play within an offense, had butted heads with multiple coaches, been suspended by the league multiple times, had multiple run ins with the police including a recent domestic violence incident and had personality issues that make DeMarcus Cousins look like a saint.
We had been shopping him for a year. According to rumors, we almost traded him to Denver for an expiring contract, a first round pick (ended up being 20th overall) and Linas Kleiza. Except the Nuggets refused to part with Kleiza as part of the deal and were scared Artest would ruin their chemistry. They had Carmello, Allen Iverson and JR Smith and were afraid of Artests personality.
Getting an expiring contract (fact it was BJax was just a bonus) and two first round picks for Artest was a coup. As Section said, there are certainly other trades you can criticize Petrie for, but this was a very good one.
SPTSJUNKIE - January 12, 2012
spot on
MichaelMack - January 12, 2012
Yeah it's frustrating to see Ron MWP playing well for the Lakers
But absolutely it’s different being the third or fourth-best player and having to listen to Kobe.
Very thorough overview of the small forwards, good work.
blknblu - January 12, 2012
He played well for the Rockets the one year
He has been a bit of an underachiever for the Lakers.
otis29 - January 12, 2012
To be fair, the Lakers don't really need him to do much
Just play defense, that’s primarily what they acquired him for.
deadenddude - January 12, 2012
And NOT airball playoff 3 pointers.
caseycheesecake - January 13, 2012
Yeah okay.
Just meant it didn’t seem to be working out here when he was arguably the best player on the team and not deferring to anyone.
blknblu - January 12, 2012
(Of course if you had owners who could actually surround talent with more talent-)
blknblu - January 12, 2012
that is being polite Otis
He has been neither consistent nor productive. He still can have a good game now and then, but he is strictly a bench player for them now.
MichaelMack - January 12, 2012
Houston got a 1 year rental of Artest.
Which is what we’d have got, too.
unfair weather - January 12, 2012
just because a players talks like they want to be "the man"
doesn’t mean they’ll get what they want. If Artest value was really that low, he would have got no good offers in FA and the Kings could have retained him for a reasonable price.
deadenddude - January 12, 2012
He had no interest in staying here in that role
As long as he was in Sac, he wanted to be “the man.” And no team was going to attain upper echelon status with Ron Artest as “the man.”
section214 - January 12, 2012
You were serous?
Artest is done. At least Casspi gave us hope, then turned into JJ. Greene still has a chance to be a role player. Thats way better than an aging MWP that would be overpaid if we kept him.
SharkKings49 - January 12, 2012
*serious
SharkKings49 - January 12, 2012
That brings up another point
This franchise gives up on players too easily, always has. Casspi could have been solid in time but they didn’t want to wait, so now w have Hickson, who they’ll also probably give up on and move for yet another player.
deadenddude - January 12, 2012
In fairness, Casspi is failing big time as a starting SF for the Cavs
As a starter – Casspi: 6.3 pts 1.3 Assists 2.3 Reb 8.01 PER
Combo of starts and bench – JJ: 7 pts 7.4 Reb .5 Blks 12.46 PER
I’m not a huge fan of JJ yet, but dumping Casspi is looking pretty good right now. Plus, Casspi doesn’t have much competition and JJ is playing on a team with plenty of forwards.
SharkKings49 - January 12, 2012
And quite honestly
He hasn’t been that good for the Lakers. It would have been a nightmare if he’d stayed here I think.
otis29 - January 12, 2012
I'm not even saying he should have stayed
Maybe that wasn’t in the cards. I’m just saying I think they could have gotten a little more out of him in trade.
deadenddude - January 12, 2012
We could have resigned Artest for $8-$10 million a year
You’re right, though, it’s a lot better to be the fourth best player on a championship team then the best guy on team that is lucky to play .500 ball.
NewEraKings - January 12, 2012
it was a very solid trade at the time ...
I think Kings took Bjax to make the salaries work and he was a 1-year expiring, solid vet …. if either Greene or Casspi developed like it seemed they might (two 1st rounders), this would be stealing. Prior to draft, I remember a lot of pundits had Sac taking Greene at #10 or 12 (they took JT instead and Donte dropped to late 1st). Getting JJ for Casspi means the Kings are still getting some value from this trade, and if Greene (big IF) can develop into a rotation player, that’s not a bad return for Sac.
Watty4ever - January 13, 2012
He would have further delayed the rebuilding process
No point in having him around.
Josh L - January 12, 2012
And not the kind of vet you want around your rookies.
fryingpan136 - January 12, 2012
Not that fish and outlaw seem much better in the role of mentor.
fryingpan136 - January 12, 2012
We would have missed Tyreke and Cousins
Kind of like the Pistons. They never got a high draft pick and mainly have Monroe to build around
SharkKings49 - January 12, 2012
Not sure the draft position would have changed much
Kings would have been really bad those years even with Artest. But I should have been more clear in that i didn’t/don’t have a problem with that he was traded, i just thought they could have gotten more in return.
deadenddude - January 12, 2012
Interesting how much depth Denver has at the wing,
and that’s not including Wilson Chandler, who is currently in China…
section214 - January 12, 2012
I also think that Marvin Williams would be a nice upgrade,
and if Atlanta ever determines to shed salary, he could be had.
section214 - January 12, 2012
Marvin Williams is near the top of my "SFs I'd like to have and also might be available for what we have" list.
Aykis16 - January 12, 2012
I'd like Williams
AI would be my dream, would have to hope for a PHI collapse, and Turner taking off as a SF. Nicolas Batum would be my #2, for some reason he reminds me of Doug Christie. RJ would be nice too, if the Spurs dump him. Other then AI, I think the other 3 are at least somewhat obtainable.
elSAVinator - January 12, 2012
I think he's at the top of my list.
All of SFs I like for this team I don’t think are available.
CoolFinity - January 12, 2012
With Horford hurt
it’s an open question whether ATL would/will either need him more – or decide that this isn’t the year and move some salary.
They never seem to be very active trade-wise though and it feels like they are a franchise that’s quite content to be ‘good enough’.
lietothegirls - January 13, 2012
Did Chandler ever except the QA?
Obviously not or else he’d be in Denver instead of China. We might not be able to get him for much of this season, but should we make him a front loaded offer that Denver might not be willing to match?
HighTops - January 12, 2012
No, he did not
section214 - January 12, 2012
Expectation
He’ll probably sign the QO in March, play out the season and give the Nuggets a boost in the playoffs, and then hit the market as an unrestricted free agent. He’s unlikely to remain in Denver long term.
Exhibit G - January 13, 2012
I seem to remember him not wanting to leave NY for Denver when they made the trade
Not sure how much has changed, but that’s what I remember
raiderking21 - January 13, 2012
I think Gay is potentially available if Memphis' record stays bad.
They are way over the luxury line, so they might be willing to give him up. Also, the Kings have to touch bases with Wilson Chandler; at the very least force Denver to over pay. And one more thing, pay attention to the Boston Celtics: Allen and Garnett are expiring deals (Pierce with 3 years left), and if they continue to struggle, maybe Ainge blows it up. I’d love Garnett to mentor our young guys (we could basically absorb his contract).
DWeissbart - January 12, 2012
no thanks to Gay, he's due like 68$ million over the next 4 years
I just don’t think he’s worth that much. Reports are that AK47 wanted to return to the NBA next year. I’d rather wait and offer him like 3 years/3$ million.
deadenddude - January 12, 2012
Yeah,
the tough thing here is that his contract runs through the qualifying offers of both Evans and Cousins. That could be a problem.
section214 - January 12, 2012
yep, that's what scares me too
i just don’t have any faith in the Maloofs to go over the cap to resign their players and having an extra 20$ million per on the books in 2013 and 2014 for a player like Rudy Gay would not bode well for the chances of retaining Tyreke and DeMarcus. If this was the old Maloofs, who spent, I;d say go for it but I have no faith in the tightwad pod people who took over the real Maloof’s bodies.
deadenddude - January 12, 2012
Oh noez!
HarveySpecter - January 12, 2012
Does Tyreke appear to be heading for a max extension to you?
I gues it’s too early to talk much about this, but by the end of this season . . . .
lietothegirls - January 13, 2012
I say no
He isn’t like a Westbrook, Rose, Durant or other young players that deserve it and are proving it. Rondo didn’t get a max extension and at this point I’m not sure if Tyreke deserves even 75% of Rondo’s contract. Become a better passer, better defender, and better shooter and then he will deserve it, but for now he has too many off games to demand a max extension.
SharkKings49 - January 13, 2012
Definitely don't think he's earned a max contract yet.
But he still has time to prove otherwise.
Aykis16 - January 13, 2012
Off topic:
The amount, and quality, of content at StR today has been amazing. Great job TZ and Aykis!
lead_pipe - January 12, 2012
Wilson Chandler !
mjalmighty - January 12, 2012
I am with you! Please do it JP and amnesty Salmons!
LagunaKing - January 12, 2012
Thirded
convoy - January 12, 2012
fourth
Beer_man - January 13, 2012
Technically its GP...
but I get what you are saying.
kwlarson - January 13, 2012
Out of all that is likely to be available, I like Evans.
We have too many SG with Evans, Garcia, Jimmer, Thornton, and Salmons. Let’s start IT, Evans, MT, Cuz, and JT or Hickson. Use Jimmer and Cisco off the bench. Evans is the best defender and rebounder on the team that can play SF.
fryingpan136 - January 12, 2012
This is my thinking right now, too.
I think that lineup would be our best offensive team, which this team needs on the court as much as possible to have a chance to win most games. Even if IT isn’t replicating his Toronto performance every game, I wouldn’t mind watching him continue to build chemistry with our main guys as Coach Smart tries to find some kind of recognizable offense among the wet ashes that PW created by setting fire to this team’s offensive gameplan and cohesion and pissing all over it on his way out the door. I think IT’s quickness and ballhandling at a minimum draws enough attention from the defense to give Cuz and ‘Reke a bit more space than they have when he’s not on the floor, and those guys are damn dangerous when they have space to do their thing (and hopefully MT would benefit from the same effect, too).
I also wonder if Salmons wouldn’t be a bigger asset to this team as it’s primary scorer off the bench, with he and Jimmer putting up a lot of shots while the main guys get some rest. I could see both of those guys being more comfortable with a wide open role on the second unit as opposed to a carefully prescribed role as a starter.
My main question with this plan would be how well ‘Reke could defend opposing SFs. Does anyone have any recollections and/or data regarding ’Reke’s history guarding SFs? I think he’d likely have a hard time keeping the bigger guys from getting good shots, both on jumpers and on post-ups. But, I dunno, he seems like a strong guy and he does have those long arms, so maybe he’d do just fine keeping those guys out of the paint and challenging shots. You also have to hope that IT and MT can do a good enough job of keeping opposing guards from doing whatever they want. I think IT does a lot of great things on the defensive end, but that doesn’t mean he won’t still get torched a lot of games against the better guards in the league. Rolling with that lineup would basically make us like the old Warriors and Phoenix teams that just hoped they could outscore their opponents and not worry about matchup problems. I think it could be a great lineup for us (or, it could be a disaster), but ’Reke would really have to commit himself on the defensive end.
AnotherStupidSN - January 13, 2012
I have a vague recollection of Artest posting up Tyreke pretty good.
Here’s my take. If we had signed Kirilenko, no one would even be suggesting that we put Tyreke at the 3.
The fact that Tyreke might be our best alternative at this moment, doesn’t mean that is what we should do. We struggled developing players because Petrie drafts players that can play multiple position. So, when things go bad, we keep trying different combinations. Instead, we should be developing our players to play in there natural position, and work to improve the players in the positions where we’re having trouble.
Omri and Donte weren’t perfect, but they had talent and could have been developed without having to try JT at the 3. We’re all starting to come around to the realization that Tyreke might not be the best option at the 1. And, based on his time at the 2 in the Toronto game and others in the past, playing at the 2 he’s just as effective as he is at the one.
Tyreke is a natural 2 who needs to work on his short range jumper so he doesn’t have to always get to the rim to score after he beats his man. We can wait for the outside shot to come around in time, but as a 3 he must have that outside shot now. It’s time we stop playing our talent out of position and let them perfect their game where it’s best suited.
HighTops - January 13, 2012
free Donte!
At this point why not give him more burn? Salmons is terrible, Outlaw is terrible and Garcia is a SG. Do it Smart!
TTown Kings - January 12, 2012
because donte sucks
sacman - January 12, 2012
So do all our other SF's
raiderking21 - January 12, 2012
true
sacman - January 12, 2012
Very comprehensive list. Rec'd
Slam_Dunk - January 12, 2012
OK, great analysis
The one scenario I see that would get rid of Salmons in a trade and something I would like is Josh Childress for Salmons. As long as we have Salmons hes going to be the guy, I dont see the Maloofs ever using amnesty. If they could they would probably trade the provision for cash considerations. Childress is a sf, Salmons is a sg who could play Some 3. Both bigger contracts that have at least three years left. I could see Salmons/Hickson for Childress/Warrick work out good for both teams. The Suns are bringing Redd in to play sg, they need help there, Warrick and Frye are like the same player. Warrick has a few yrs guaranteed, Hickson would fit in well with rfa status after the season.
Chent - January 12, 2012
Even though
Childress isnt doing too well statistically he doesnt really get a shot. He can run, defend, and be a glue guy for the team. I think it would help both teams. what say yall?? both horrible contracts by the way.
Chent - January 12, 2012
Frye hits 3s all day.
That’s a major difference.
caseycheesecake - January 13, 2012
True
That’s why they would rather keep him instead. Warrick and Frye both have a few yrs on their deals and are similar besides the 3 ball that Frye can hit. Both athletic, good mid range, weak defenders, weak rebounders at the pf spot.
Chent - January 13, 2012 via mobile
In spite of comments to the contrary, I'm not sure Salmons was ever considered the answer at the 3
Why would they take on Salmons contract to play the 3 then turn around and make an even bigger offer to Kirilenko. Salmons was traded for in June, when the Kings weren’t sure if Thornton could be resigned and how much it was going to cost to get him back.
I think the original plan was DMC, Hayes, Kirilenko, Salmons and Tyreke. and, when Jimmer developed under Smart, Tyreke would move to the 2 with Salmons backing up the 2 & 3. If they could get Thornton for a reasonable price they’d sign him for the spark plug coming off the bench. Once Kirilenko looked like a no go, Thornton jumped to the top of the shopping list.
As it turned out, we didn’t get AK so plan B went into affect. John’s outside shooting will come around, but as TZ pointed out his defense skills are more suited to defending the 2 and undersized 3, which would be the case for Tyreke also.
I’m still of the mind that there are more important problems to resolve than the rotation at the SF, where I feel Salmons, Greene and Garcia are adequate. I’m more concerned about the defense, running a couple of decent offensive sets in a row, and the scoring at the PF, myself.
Coach Smart will deal with the problems in the backcourt, just like in GS, but it’s going to take most of the season. We still have money and time to pick up additional talent this season, but unless it involves trading JJ, JT or Thornton, I don’t see it happening. We don’t have any other talent I’m willing to give up, and the only other FA worth getting is Wilson Chandler who’s going to cost a pretty penny to stop Denver from matching.
I think it’s time to see what we have and what Coach Smart can do with the talent we have. Especially, JJ, JT and Donte who all have expiring rookie contracts and Whiteside who is also in the final year of his guaranteed contract.
HighTops - January 12, 2012
I wholeheartedly disagree with your hypothesis
There was no way the Kings were letting Thornton go. They locked him up the very first day of Free Agency. Salmons was traded for on draft day. The rumors with Kirilenko didn’t start till about a week into free agency.
Aykis16 - January 12, 2012
Agree
Right after the Kings added Salmons they were clear to say opponents were defending Reke with their SF, and Salmons would prevent switching because of his post up ability. Hasn’t panned out, but the Kings intention was to play Salmons as SF not SG.
The Kings knew correctly too they had Thornton locked down to resign with most cap money and that he was appreciative to Kings for freeing him from Hornets, and would likely show that appreciation by making Kings his first choice.
bench_blob - January 12, 2012
Agree with Aykis here
Salmons was meant as a bridge.
Kings (to me) were planning to draft Jimmer. You couldn’t have Jimmer and Beno playing together, too little D. So they swapped a backup combo guard for a starting SF.
SPTSJUNKIE - January 12, 2012
I guess I don't see Salmons as a starting SF
That seems hopeful, even at his best. I think he just plays too small to be considered a full time SF.
MichaelMack - January 12, 2012
Agree with how he is playing right now. But he has (had?) skill of a starter.
Petrie watched the same Donte, Garcia, Casspi pu pu platter we did last year.
SPTSJUNKIE - January 12, 2012
he obviously has had the skill in the past to be a starter
But a starting SG. I just don’t think he is a good fit at the three, regardless of our other options. I am just shocked that Petrie thought it was a better idea to trade down for him to start at 3 than the other options we had.
MichaelMack - January 13, 2012
He was theoretically an upgrade at the 3
I don’t think anyone would’ve argued before the season started that Donte, Omri, or Garcia are better at the 3 than Salmons. I think most felt he was a bad fit, but was still an upgrade.
The fact that he’s playing poorly seems to be giving people 20/20 hindsight vision, which isn’t fair.
Crocoduck - January 13, 2012 via mobile
That's fine, it's just my wild ass guess
but in my own defense. Just because the time line doesn’t match up doesn’t mean it wasn’t the plan.
the rumors that Thornton would sign for much more were also wrong. So, the fact that they signed Thornton doesn’t preclude that the price was right even if he were planned as a backup. Also, just because the rumors about Kirilenko didn’t surface until a week later, doesn’t preclude that they didn’t make him the offer on the same day that they signed Thornton.
But the most compelling piece that I have in my defense, is that Salmons never was nor never has been a SF. As for your conclusion that they would never let Thornton go, I don’t see him finishing out his contract in Sacramento. Not because he isn’t good, but because you have to trade talent to get talent. And, he has one of the most reasonable contracts since Martin.
With all the debate about the PG position, the development of Thomas or Jimmer moves Tyreke to the 2 and Thornton possibly to the expendable list.
HighTops - January 12, 2012
I think that is pretty spot on HT
I have stated a few times that Salmons is not a full time 3. Not big enough, nor strong enough, and this year he does not seem to be moving very well. I think you are correct about Thornton too, while I would love for him to stay and flourish, as the team develops, and we see where are true needs are (sf at the moment), he is going to be a valuable trade chip.
MichaelMack - January 13, 2012
It's truly terrible
that the Bucks have 3 SFs whom I would have much rather traded for than Salmons.
LPKingsFan - January 12, 2012
Whatever happened to Al Thornton?
On hoopshype’s FA SF list…
28 years old, 6’7
ACC 1st team ‘06
Vegas summer league all-star ’07
NBA all-rookie 1st team ’08
NBA rookie all-star game ’09
very explosive (anti-Salmons)
good offensive rebounder (much needed)
fine mid-range game (long-range needed, but some Beno stop & pops would be ok)
defensively? I don’t know.
last team…Golden State.
busybe - January 12, 2012
I think he's on Washington.
And he sucks.
caseycheesecake - January 13, 2012
and a black hole
from the games I’ve seen
SharkKings49 - January 13, 2012
I think...
Too early in the season for a post like this, but considering your brief ability descriptions of the SF, stretch 4s on the other teams, it seem as though we are not doing too bad (Perhaps I read incorrectly, but I took it as like 3-4 realistic players to go for, about 6 or so untouchables that every team would love, and the rest same, not much (slight upgrades) better or worse).
Slamons 3 should get better, but yeah I agree with HighTops that he is kind of playing out of his position on Defense.
Just my 2 cents
Slikk_J - January 12, 2012
I swear on my life
did not read the article yet, scrolled to the bottom of the comments and just from the title I am willing to bet the conclusion at the end of this involves Marvin Williams. Complete guess and might look like a moron
wallywagon11 - January 12, 2012
damn feel like a moron
not that type of post. Oh well
wallywagon11 - January 12, 2012
That's what everyone was thinking though
raiderking21 - January 12, 2012
Don't feel bad. I had the same guess.
On a slightly different note. Wonder if we could make another run at Teague now. Atlanta needs a big man. While they would open a hole at PG by trading Teague, they at least have Johnson, who is already their primary ball handler.
Thoughts?
SPTSJUNKIE - January 12, 2012
no chance
wallywagon11 - January 12, 2012
Well, you are just raining on my parades today :)
SPTSJUNKIE - January 12, 2012
sorry but if they get a big they are either going with smaller deal or using Hinrich/Marvin Williams contracts (Hinrich is expiring)
or just fight with the guys they have
wallywagon11 - January 12, 2012
It's a mix between Marvin Williams and Rudy Gay
So it looks like Marvin Gaye is the solution
HeuristicLineup - January 12, 2012
"This guy is Dead!"
“Scratch him of the liiist then.”
lietothegirls - January 13, 2012
"Well... He can't shoot any worse than Outlaw"
“Brilliant!, sign him!”
HeuristicLineup - January 13, 2012
It's kinda funny that that draft day trade involved three SF's that no one really likes even though they are decent
Stephen Jackson, Corey Maggette, and John Salmons. We may have come out on the short-end but not by much.
raiderking21 - January 12, 2012
I don't want to come across as whining or sour grapes or anything
But why did we make that Salmons trade anyways? Beno would have certainly helped this team, especially considering we got rid of him before we found out our late second round draft pick could actually play. I get that we were looking for depth at the three, but Salmons style doesn’t really mesh with the rest of our starting lineup at all.
Neil Manich - January 12, 2012
That's the
One Million dollar question. Petrie saw something that no one else could see, still have no idea what that was or is. I’ve always believed Salmons general demeanor was a lot like mine the last time the IRS had some questions for me…
nohops - January 12, 2012
Salmons has stunk. But before we get too misty, Beno has been just as awful
He came into camp out of shape. Has already gotten hurt. And when he has played, his season stats are:
8 points, 1.6 RBS, 2 AST, .2 STL while shooting 51% from the field and 20% from three.
Yes, the high percentage on two pointers is nice. But Udrih’s D is terrible. Salmons hasn’t been a shut down wing, but he’s played solid defense.
I’m really don’t see this team being any better off with Beno.
SPTSJUNKIE - January 12, 2012
Agree with you
concerning Beno. There must have been a way to not acquire Salmons
though. ;)
nohops - January 12, 2012
This made me laugh
I’m picturing Petrie and his staff late at night drinking scotch and brainstorming ways not to trade for Salmons.
SPTSJUNKIE - January 12, 2012
Which of course explains how we ended up reacquiring Salmons.
Petrie woke up with a wicked hangover and a slice of pizza stuck to his face. He checked his call logs from the previous night and then, all of sudden, it came back to him; “Ooooooohhhhhh shhhhhit. Paul. Wake up. Paul. PAUL!!! Wake up, man.”
Westie: “Wha? What is it, man?”
GP: “We re-acquired Salmons.”
PW: “No. We were just bullshitting about it, but I don’t think we —”
GP: “Shhh. It gets worse. We moved DOWN in the draft, too.”
PW: “Fu—”
GP: “Just shut up, man. Pass me that handle.”
PhutureKings - January 13, 2012
Too Funny!
nohops - January 13, 2012
According to 82games.com
Salmons’ defense at the three has been so-so to this point. Not sure how much trust you can put in their numbers though.
Conversely, they show Beno’s defense (and on/off ratings overall) as being pretty solid for the Bucks so far.
I noticed the same thing when we played Milwaukee though – Beno did look out of shape and didn’t have his normal shiftiness.
otis29 - January 13, 2012
I'd be less inclined to be in shape if I lived in miluwaukee too.
Lotusprime - January 13, 2012 via mobile
I always get nervous with those defensive stats
Salmons has been starting and guarding the other team’s best 2/3. And he is on a team that plays below average team defense.
Udrih has come off the bench and guarded the other team’s worst bench player. And he plays on a team that plays above average team defense.
I hope eventually there are better defensive measurements, but have no idea what to make of current statistics. Haven’t found one yet that seems to accurately measure impact.
Agree though. Beno was too heavy. Needs to shed his winter weight.
SPTSJUNKIE - January 13, 2012
Man, Beno looked fat the other night
I think GP thought that Jimmer would be almost as good as Beno right from the start and would fairly quickly get to that level.
Jimmer is having some confidence problems right now though which is never a good sign.
lietothegirls - January 13, 2012
Yeah. Not sure if he expected him to be amazing out of the gate
But there’s not minutes for both in our backcourt. And you can’t play Beno and Jimmer together. That would be the worst defensive backcourt in the league.
SPTSJUNKIE - January 13, 2012
Westphal
said Salmons and somebody were the 2 best in shape coming into camp.
caseycheesecake - January 13, 2012
Milwaukee is busting at the seams with wing players.
I wouldn’t mind a lock down defender in Luc Mbah a Moute. His defensive skills are something to be cherished and learned from. I really don’t think the team needs another shooter. I think he could turn into a Doug Christie type player without the range. Delfino could also fill tis role but with more range and less defensive tenacity.
I see it as a lot of players can knock down open threes, not many can put up a quality defense on the high flying wings of the league. I would be nice to see Luc Mbah a Moute in a Kings uniform taking on high scoring wings like Durant and Gay, or confounding 2 guards like Kobe and Gordon. Hell, the guy can even play a stretch 4 and make life difficult for players like a Dirk or a Gallinari, and in the end he wouldn’t pound the ball and demand shots.
adamsite - January 12, 2012
That would be nice, but...
I’m pretty sure they just locked him down for a while, and what do we have to offer the Bucks that would make them want to move him?
Crocoduck - January 13, 2012 via mobile
Actually we do need someone to play the role of 'Shooter'
just not another dribble dribble shooter. Our offensive guards/wings are very predictable right now and playing too much the same way.
(what a sentance!)
lietothegirls - January 13, 2012
Mbah a Moute doesn't stretch anything on the offensive end.
caseycheesecake - January 13, 2012
Great post and write up. Rec'd
I would love to see us go after Dudley when Phoenix decides to blow things up.
May not happen this season, but I really can’t believe they will trot out the same lineup next year if they fall further out of the playoff picture this season.
I feel like he would be a great complement to the players we already have.
SPTSJUNKIE - January 12, 2012
Why would the Suns get rid of Dudley when they decide to blow things up?
He’s one of the guys they will try to keep
wallywagon11 - January 12, 2012
He'll be 27 next season
Certainly not old, but if they do trade Nash in the offseason and start trying to build around 19-20 year old kids, they might be willing to shed the salary and add a younger asset.
SPTSJUNKIE - January 12, 2012
he's also a restricted free agent this offseason
you don’t just dump restricted free agents in their prime years
wallywagon11 - January 12, 2012
and when is 27 old?
wallywagon11 - January 12, 2012
When you're a member of your Sacramento Kings
section214 - January 12, 2012
I said
Just saying if you are starting from scratch with 19-20 year old rookies, a role playing wing is an expendable piece. Especially when you can save some money or if your draft picks play the same position.
SPTSJUNKIE - January 12, 2012
what draft picks do they have that are 19 or 20 at SG/SF?
wallywagon11 - January 12, 2012
that's like saying we should dump JT now because we will be playing a future unknown draft pick at his spot next year
trust me, Suns aren’t moving restricted free agents coming off their rookie contracts unless they don’t want them.
wallywagon11 - January 12, 2012
Difference is we are (hopefully) ascending
We don’t dump useful players who are becoming (hopefully) savvy veterans for rookies unless they are darn good.
If you are rebuilding from scratch (imagine the Suns trading Nash), Dudley at 27 is one a different time frame than your young players. He’s not someone you have to get rid of. But if another team offers you an asset and clears his salary, it’s worth doing.
Especially if the Suns trade Nash and wind up getting a player like Harrison Barnes who plays Dudley’s position.
SPTSJUNKIE - January 12, 2012
the difference is we are ascending?
You think they want to lose players in their prime who aren’t expensive yet? And sorry but we are still building from scratch we just are one or two players ahead on that. You don’t just give away assets because you are rebuilding, you rebuild with the assets. They aren’t given up Dudley for things we have unless you are talking something along the lines of Thornton.
Okay but that is a year from now if that’s the case. Long way to go.
wallywagon11 - January 12, 2012
You may be right. We'll have to see what happens with them next season.
SPTSJUNKIE - January 12, 2012
Nm. Didn't scroll down to lower post yet
SPTSJUNKIE - January 12, 2012
Dudley's not a RFA, don't know where you're getting that
They locked him up to a nice extension last year.
Aykis16 - January 12, 2012
But I agree
that Phoenix would be dumb to trade him. He’s cheap, young and productive.
Aykis16 - January 12, 2012
because I am a moron :)
thought he was in his 4th year of his rookie contract
wallywagon11 - January 12, 2012
Late and at the office, must not be stating this clearly
If they blow things up and trade Nash. They will be starting from scratch and drafting 19-20 year old rookies. Same path we started going down 3 years ago.
If Nash is gone and they are no longer competing, Dudley is the type of role player they can ship off.
SPTSJUNKIE - January 12, 2012
okay
but he’s a restricted free agent who fills a hole they need filled now. They would be absolute morons to move him now given a) they don’t know who is coming out of college b) they can’t draft players mid season and c) they can have complete control of Dudly for another 4 years. They would have to get something they really need and really want to move Dudly. They ain’t givin him up for scraps or anything of lesser value at all. No chance.
wallywagon11 - January 12, 2012
Agree. Which is why my first post said:
SPTSJUNKIE - January 12, 2012
oh sorry
I was just talking about this season
wallywagon11 - January 12, 2012
Lol. We made a great Abbot and Costello there
SPTSJUNKIE - January 12, 2012
who's on first?
wallywagon11 - January 13, 2012
Who.
SPTSJUNKIE - January 13, 2012
My list
AK47 would have been great this year season. Next season? Not with his injury history & lack of drive.
With the ones that are left & possibly available
Wilson Chandler
Marvin Williams
Corey Brewer
In that order. I’ve been wanting Chandler for a while. Denver has a lot invested in Galinari & Harrington is not moveable due to his age & contract. They could amnesty him & sign Chandler, but unlike Salmons, Harrington is earning his pay at least.
Marvin Willams is a very good role player. Isn’t that exactly what we need? We don’t need him to live up to being a #2 pick. We could use a guy with a good mid-range game.
Corey Brewer is a young Bruce Bowen. He needs a Greg Popovich to recognize his value. I think he is what we want Donte to be. I think he has a reasonable salary so we could justify dumping Salmons down the amnesty toilet if we get him. As opposed to paying Salmons, outlaw, Chandler/Williams $20 million a year.
Allbenji - January 12, 2012 via mobile
Nuggets haven't given a contract to Galinari yet
In the end I think you will be right because they are going to have to pay up next offseason to Galinar but just sayin
wallywagon11 - January 12, 2012
I knew he hasn't been paid yet
But I was under the assumption he was the main piece in the Melo trade. They traded away Felton & Chandler came off the bench for them.
Allbenji - January 12, 2012 via mobile
oh sorry
thought you meant invested as in cash long term to him.
wallywagon11 - January 12, 2012
You can't amnesty guys
Until next offseason. So there’s no way they amnesty Harrington to sign Chandler. The better the Nuggets are without him the more likely it is that they won’t match.
Lotusprime - January 13, 2012 via mobile
The problem I see is that Westphal really failed to develop our young talent
And our guys look like worse values than they are, which is hampering our ability to put together our nickels and dimes for a quarter or half-dollar.
Deleran - January 12, 2012
maybe our young talent is over rated
sacman - January 12, 2012
Or maybe they're better than they've shown
raiderking21 - January 12, 2012
I would bet that you are closer to being correct
than them being overrated. I can’t help but feel we have wasted some crucial time with PW.
MichaelMack - January 12, 2012
WILSON CHANDLER
pay him that 8-9 a yr. worth every penny
rise_to_mediocrity - January 12, 2012
Small Forward Solution
Tyreke Evans is the answer. He’s clearly athletic enough and can defend the 3. He’s an awful point guard because he doesn’t see the floor, doesn’t or can’t pass, makes nobody any better and is selfish. He’s a disaster at the 2 because he can’t shoot. Split the PG between Jimmer and IT. The Kings will be young at PG and will struggle at times but who cares they’re going nowhere the way the team is now.
bankers hours - January 12, 2012
Or we can just amnesty Tyreke
Cuz he is such a horrible, selfish, ballhog. I heard he torchers puppies & lights cats on fire too.
Allbenji - January 12, 2012 via mobile
Could not disagree with you more
jozy - January 12, 2012
chasm'd
(I think)
wallywagon11 - January 12, 2012
No, the puppy thing is true.
Rickyflip - January 13, 2012
granted he struggles defending 3 and needs the ball in his hands to be effective
but yeah other than the fact it’s a bad idea on offense and on defense, I love it.
wallywagon11 - January 12, 2012
Where do people get this idea that...
Tyreke needs the ball to be effective? You mean to score? Well ya, you need the ball to score. Every player does. Aside from that, he is actually less effective when he holds the ball, or dribble drives. And I agree he has proven night in and night out for 150+ games in the NBA that he cant find the open man on a consistent basis.
He would be much more effective is he used screens off the ball, back door cuts , had a real “point guard” make the pass to him , THEN drive to the rim. This way the entire opposing team isn’t staring at Tyreke, focusing all their attention on him, waiting for him to drive to the net like EVERY team knows he will do.
With that being said, I still don’t think Reke is the long term solution at 3 nor is it his natural position (which should be the 2 guard), but it is better then having Salmons in the lineup. PROVE ME WRONG JOHN!
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ridingthebench - January 12, 2012
The problem is Tyreke doesn't move without the ball
If he doesn’t move, then no pure point guard will make him better, that’s why we keep saying that he needs the ball to be effective.
raiderking21 - January 12, 2012
sorry not saying he needs to always have it as in he needs to be a point guard
I think the off guard position is fine for him and he has been much more effective on both offense and defense going up against other shooting guards (although they do switch SFs on him when they can)
wallywagon11 - January 13, 2012
That's easy to say
but whenever he’s on the floor he’ll want the ball in his hands no matter what you call him. That has to be trained out of him.
The team needs to concentrate on calling plays for Tyreke when he’s off the ball ie back cuts to the paint. Do enough of those, show some success – then he might get more comfortable with that role.
lietothegirls - January 13, 2012
How effective would he be off the ball?
Isn’t it all going to come down to his jumper?
At this point I don’t think he’s a threat from outside, so they’d still have a problem with spacing, and its hard to backdoor when your man doesn’t respect your shot and plays off you.
You’re right though, he does need to get a lot better at being active without the ball. Most of the time he looks lost without it.
Crocoduck - January 13, 2012 via mobile
Stagnant
lietothegirls - January 13, 2012
why did we trade omri for hickson again???
im not saying j.j. is bad at all, but why would we need him? we kind of gave up on omri and traded him for a clone of JT.
jozy - January 12, 2012
Have you seen how bad Omri has been?
Hickson hasn’t been good either, but young bigs with potential are always good assets to have. The only thing I don’t like about the trade was the fact we gave up a pick, and it’s not so much the pick itself that bothers me, but the fact that with the protections on the pick, we can’t trade a 1st rounder until 2017.
Aykis16 - January 12, 2012
Speaking of JJ
Maybe we can flip him & Salmons for Marvin Williams since Horford is out for the season. If they don’t so something they could fall completely out of the playoff picture. JJ & Salmons could take at least to an 7-8 spot in the east.
Allbenji - January 12, 2012 via mobile
Whoa, Horford is out of the season?
I must have missed that.
Aykis16 - January 12, 2012
he hurt his shoulder tonight
out at least 3 months
jozy - January 12, 2012
actually a night or two ago
everyone thought it was just a strained muscle but there was a tear
wallywagon11 - January 12, 2012
Kwame Brown just had the same thing
- ohhhhhh nooooooooo! GS’ season is over!
lietothegirls - January 13, 2012
3 to 4 months
might be able to come back for playoffs if they are lucky (both in terms of rushing back and making it)
wallywagon11 - January 12, 2012
It will be interesting to see what thier record is 10-12 games from now
8-4 at the moment
lietothegirls - January 13, 2012
this is why when I came on here I assumed you wrote a
MARVIN WILLIAMS GET MARVIN post
wallywagon11 - January 12, 2012
i guess thats true
yeah i don’t like the pick thing either. i guess petrie was hoping to dish omri (obviously not an nba caliber player) and i guess he thought he could fill the hole with john salmons……….
jozy - January 12, 2012
Rasheed Wallace is considering a comeback!
Am I crazy for thinking it would be cool to have him for a year or 2?
Maybe he and DMC could become best friends- okay, maybe it isn’t a good idea
LLcoolRay - January 12, 2012
Uhmm... NO!
raiderking21 - January 12, 2012
I like it!
Then while we’re at it, we can get Stephen Jackson!
HeuristicLineup - January 12, 2012
And Artest back.
Refuse to call him MWP
LLcoolRay - January 12, 2012
Also trade for Jermaine ONeal
And really give the home crowds a scare.
Wonderchild - January 12, 2012
Blow up the team
Iverson
Jackson
Artest
Rasheed
J Oneal
SharkKings49 - January 13, 2012
JR Smith and Matt Barnes off the bench
raiderking21 - January 13, 2012
We'll lead the league in Technicals!
defender96 - January 13, 2012
And more entertainingly
Audience beat downs!
HeuristicLineup - January 13, 2012
What do the Kings want in a SF?
big enough to defend the premier SF’s in the League (KD, LBJ, Melo), hit an open shot – midrange and 3 with consistency (maybe 10-14 ppg), rebound 6-8 game, play team D, young-ish, and have a “fit in” personality or if an up and comer – leadership qualities.
FWIW, the Kings have invested 8+6+3+1+.6 in their current four small forwards (Salmons, Garcia, Outlaw, Greene, Honeycutt) they are the highest part of the Kings payroll at $19.6M and the largest contigent of players (5) for one position. I don’t see the Kings investing in more players this season. And to what purpose?
If the Kings aren’t going to be a lottery team, then be a high lottery odd team. I know that no one wants to hear that AGAIN, but this is a stacked draft. Get talent and look to the future.
One omission on the college fellas: Perry Jones. That is THE small forward to shoot for in the draft other than Barnes, IMO.
betweentheeyes - January 12, 2012
Agreed on Jones
Some are seeing him as a 4, but he’s no more than a stretch 4, at best. 3 would be the better slot for him. Don’t sleep on his running mate Quincy Miller, either, though he might benefit from another year in college.
section214 - January 12, 2012
He is like a taller Evan Turner
and I mean that in a good way.
betweentheeyes - January 12, 2012
Or a Stromile Swift with less motor
SPTSJUNKIE - January 12, 2012
Swift is/was an impressive athlete
Jones is a skill player with athletecism
betweentheeyes - January 12, 2012
True. He had a questionable motor last year. Haven't started watching and following draft players this year yet.
SPTSJUNKIE - January 13, 2012
I saw him play against BYU in the Marriott Center...
Dude is an absolute beast. That said, I agree with Aykis and say he is more of a 4 than a 3. We will most likely lose either JT or JJ this offseason. If we have the chance, I’d take PJ in a heartbeat. He could learn from the Chuckwagon and would be a great piece next to Cousins.
kwlarson - January 13, 2012
Nice write up.
SPTSJUNKIE - January 13, 2012
I see him fitting in better at the 4.
He needs to bulk up a bit, but I think that’s where he’ll fit in best.
Aykis16 - January 12, 2012
His height says 4 but his game says 3
very skilled young man – I like his all around game and as a 3 would make a nice addition in the Durant mold (not as much a scorer but as a passer, rebounder, defender).
betweentheeyes - January 12, 2012
Ugh, F*ck the draft
We get screwed every single year. Without fail. I don’t want to get my hopes up just to get kicked in the balls. Can we get a moratorium on draft talk until we are official out of the playoff hunt?(I know we most likely aren’t making the playoffs but we aren’t out yet)
Allbenji - January 12, 2012 via mobile
I second the "not talking about the draft until we are officially out" movement
But we don’t usually get screwed in the draft, just the lottery. We usually do good in the draft regardless of where we pick
raiderking21 - January 12, 2012
If we talk about the draft, limit it to players in the 5-10 range
We all know we will get screwed out of Anthony Davis and Barns
SharkKings49 - January 13, 2012
You're right
That’s what I meant. I just lumped it all together.
Allbenji - January 13, 2012 via mobile
I'd be comfortable throwing 10 mil at Wilson Chandler
sactoreg - January 12, 2012
sniff sniff
smells like desperation more than good sense, IMO.
betweentheeyes - January 12, 2012
8 mil is my limit
raiderking21 - January 12, 2012
Well
8-9 mil seems to be the number many are comfortable with…I’d be fine with 10 mil since I believe he’d be a RFA, so I wouldn’t mind bidding 10 for a potentially greater chance the offer wouldn’t be matched.
In a vacuum, he might not be worth 10 mil a year, but in our current state, with some youthful pieces with a good mix of talent and potential, in desperate need of a three, Chandler is a nice young SF who is good on both sides of the ball.
What would you offer Chandler (if anything)?
sactoreg - January 13, 2012
8 mil is fair, but since we play in Sacramento and since he is a RFA, I think we need to give a little extra
10 mil isn’t bad for him
SharkKings49 - January 13, 2012
if we offer Chandler 8 mill...
we will have over 23 million invested in SF’s…
All that money and none of them are remotely close to being an all star.
Amazing.
TrojanCBB - January 13, 2012
Amnesty Salmons
Every successful SF situation will involve an amnesty of Salmons
SharkKings49 - January 13, 2012
I think the key is looking for a guy like Wallace was when he was here
A younger guy with potential that needs an opportunity and hasn’t quite shown enough yet to make him that pricey, but could grow into a star. Not sure who on the list matches that description, though.
NewEraKings - January 12, 2012
Guys like
Fields, Pondexter, Batum, Dudley, Gallinari
NewEraKings - January 12, 2012 via mobile
Greene, Casspi?
Allbenji - January 12, 2012 via mobile
Perhaps
Because you can see that we may have given up on Spencer Hawes too early. His coach seems to have stripped his game down to the basics of passing, screening, rebounding and playing D, with the scoring as a bonus. I finally got a chance to watch part of the Philly game last night and he looks pretty solid.
Maybe our future lineup is already here and we just need to stick with guys like Donte and JT and Jimmer and IT. I think Hickson is another young player in the same vein that may bear fruit if we stick it out.
It all is a matter of a coach finding roles for his players and actually coaching. That’s what Collins seems to have done in Philly. They play with a sense of purpose, up and down the lineup. All this points to the fact that Westphal was holding up our progress and that getting rid of him early was a good move.
NewEraKings - January 13, 2012
Would Hawes have done those things if his career wasn't in jeopardy?
lietothegirls - January 13, 2012
I think so, he's always seemed to be looking ahead at his life after the NBA
And, his game isn’t all that different than it was when he was here. Fewer 3’s, but more long 2’s than shots at the rim. Still passing extremely well. He’s just playing in a more organize set of plays and gotten better and stronger in the paint which improved his rebounding.
I think all of our young talent has been handicapped by our cheap owners.
HighTops - January 13, 2012
Agree.
He’s on a team where he gets open shots and when he gets the ball there are cutters and players moving, which let’s him take advantage of his above average passing ability.
A big contrast to here, where he got the ball in the high post and had to create baskets with 4 other players standing and starting at him.
SPTSJUNKIE - January 13, 2012
perhaps you're 100% right
giving up on guys who are 21, 22, 23 years old is just stupid … the Kings haven’t had an NBA quality coach since Rick A was shown the door. With good coaching and properly defined roles, there’s a good chance that JJ, JT and/or Greene can develop into NBA quality starters. Salmons? That ship has sailed. Signing Outlaw now seems to make no sense and the team should dump 2 of the 3 of Salmons, Outlaw and Cisco, give Donte a real shot at the “3” (to see if he can do the job) and bring in either a vet or a rookie that’s a true upgrade over the 3 named above.
Watty4ever - January 13, 2012
I seem to remember last year that Hawes grew up in part because he had to move so far away from Seattle
Sacramento was only a 2 hour flight from there, so it was no big deal to go back if he wanted.
Moving to Philly forced him to live and grow up on his own. I am not sure this happens if he stays here.
Wonderchild - January 13, 2012
how about some d-league players. one appears to be doing well is andre emmett. What do you guys think?
kingsfan315 - January 12, 2012
I like Emmett he was good in college too.
Lotusprime - January 13, 2012 via mobile
I'm not too worried...Salmons is intended to be a short-term patch...
Honeycutt is being developed, and the future starter at 3 I think will come out of the next draft….Quincy Miller, one of the Jones, Gilchrist, Barnes….I watched some of Cal v. Colorado tonight, and that Roberson is someone to keep tabs on as well…
getPGwithbounce - January 13, 2012
Looks like we´ll have to make one ourselves unless we can fool a GM into giving up a SF they need.
rubenho - January 13, 2012
can someone give me an idea on how Kidd-Gilchrist plays
I haven’t seen any of his games.
'tough as nails' spence - January 13, 2012
From what I've seen
MKG is a high energy guy. Good athleticism, good motor, only a decent shooter. Seems like he rebounds the ball well for his position (especially considering the other good rebounders UK has with Davis and Jones). Pretty good defender, with a pesky, hounding defensive style. Also looks to be a good chemistry/locker room guy, with no ego or attitude issues.
If he came out this year, I think he’d be a good NBA 3, but would have to develop. Right now I think some of his success is due to his athleticism and effort against college guys, and he’d need to improve skill wise to be a successful 3 – physically he definitely has the tools. If nothing else, I could see him developing into a versatile defensive ace, given his athleticism and size (about 6’7’’, 230).
sactoreg - January 13, 2012
The 3 guys
I would LOVE to get here are Chandler (throw 8-9 mil at him and make Denver match), Marvin Williams and Dorell Wright. I know Wright was great last year (with Keith Smart as his HC), but he’s been awful offensively this year, and Rush (at times) has looked better than him for Mark Jackson. If the Kings could trade for the guy, now would be the time. But I highly doubt the Warriors would deal him right now, so that’s probably a huge pipe dream.
Dub_TC - January 13, 2012
Chandler
Chandler can’t sign any NBA deals until March. I can’t imagine him signing a deal and risking Denver matching (he doesn’t want to stay in Denver from what I’ve heard). Probably sign QO for remainder of the season.
Exhibit G - January 13, 2012
perfect.
just in time for our playoff run…
TrojanCBB - January 13, 2012
I can see GSW looking to trade for a big guy. Kwame is hurt and they can probably use a guy like JT.
Whether GP can come up with a package to get Wright is another story.
Sactown_Loyalty19 - January 13, 2012
Rather Hickson then JT – Plus i think he’s better trade bait right now..
Widowwolf - January 13, 2012
Antawn Jamison, hall of famer?
By the time Antawn Jamison retires he will have better numbers and the same list of accomplishments that Chris Mullin does.
Did Mullin lower the bar, or is he the white exception?
TrojanCBB - January 13, 2012
Mullin also benefited from being part of RUN TMC
He was a popular player on a team that got a lot of national attention. Jamison has always been kind of anonymous.
markdog333 - January 13, 2012
Im not as much a proponent of Jamison getting in the hall as i am of mullin shouldnt be in.
and if mullin is in based on winning the wooden award, then i look forward to Lionel Simmons’ ceremony…
TrojanCBB - January 13, 2012
agreed
I would argue that on top of similar offensive stats, Mullin was by far the worse defender.
markdog333 - January 13, 2012
didn't understand Mullin
all I can say is the guy is an NBA insider and stayed involved within that select group after retiring. Might have helped bolster the perception of him as being somebody who matters.
wallywagon11 - January 13, 2012
yeah.
Antawn’s agent needs to get him a gig on TNT when he retires i guess…
TrojanCBB - January 13, 2012
Denver is working on an extension for Galinari
This probably means they don’t match an offer to Chandler. MAKE IT HAPPEN GP!!! You need to make up for your Salmons blunder!
Allbenji - January 13, 2012 via mobile
What about the players in China trying to get out of the contract?
J.R. Smith and Wilson Chandler? if it wasn’t for JR Smiths attitude he would fit decently with his three pointing abilities. Wilson Chandler would probably be hopeless because Denver seems pretty intent on lockin him up for an extension once he comes back.
yaboyrafa - January 13, 2012
Peja
who betta than kanyon? - January 13, 2012
is
edm7 - January 13, 2012
better than our SF's?
raiderking21 - January 13, 2012
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