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DeMarcus Cousins Traveling With Kings To Memphis

According to multiple reports, DeMarcus Cousins is with the Sacramento Kings as the team travels to Memphis to play the Grizzlies on Tuesday.

There's no word on whether Cousins will play on Tuesday, or how the sitdown with Geoff Petrie scheduled for Monday went. The decision to send Cousins home on Sunday was made by Paul Westphal, and one would assume that Westphal will be the man to decide whether the center plays on Tuesday, Wednesday or Thursday.

The assignments of Hassan Whiteside and Tyler Honeycutt to the D-League's Reno Bighorns on Sunday creates an interesting complication: with Cousins in tow, the Kings have just 12 active players on the roster. It wouldn't have seemed tenable to leave Cousins in Sacramento for two road games, traveling with just 11 players. The Kings do have plenty of players to trot out at power forward if needed, though.

The Kings play the Grizzlies on Tuesday, the Nuggets in Denver on Wednesday and the Bucks in Sacramento on Thursday.

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Let me be the first to predict

Cuz plays in all three games. Puts up solid numbers, and the Kings take two of three on the road.

And at least half the comments still call for firing Westphal or trading Tyreke

All double-double's on the road.
if we win 2 of 3 on the road

people will be predicting championships for this team.

Until Reke blows the next 2 on 1 layup

Then its NaPG

Hey, leave me out of this!
less Reke, more Westy
We only play 2 games on the road

The other one is at home v. Milwaukee.

Ohhh

Epic fail. But everything else still stands.

We'll still win 2/3 of the road games
You think

That Westphal is some coach that will bring this team to where they want to be? All evidence to the contrary…

I don’t care if they win their games, if they look as disjointed and clueless as they have been on offense. However, if they look good, run plays, pick and rolls, screens, effectively, and don’t have those piss poor match-ups, even if they lose, I’ll be happy how they look.

Thanks for asking

First, I guess it would depend on where the team wants to be. Assuming you are talking about a championship, I don’t think this is the roster that will take us where we want to be. I love the optimism of our fans. But with the best coach in the world, I think reaching the playoffs this year would be a pretty big stretch.

I would be happy with 25 wins. And yes, I think that PW a coach that can get us there.

Well,

Fair enough, but I’m fairly certain fans and the FO expect a better W/L record than last year, which is probably the cause for frustration.

That would be a better W/L record than last year.

We would have one more win and 15 fewer losses.

Yeah but,

I think it’s the hype about maybe a “40 win season” as just quoted on the Napear show by Ross.

It would be a better record, but I’m feeling that PW will need more than 25 wins if he wants to keep coaching. I feel for the guy, because if he can’t show any improvement with this team, it will most likely be his last coaching stint in the NBA. But it’s time for this team to start improving.

Wait

Are you really saying you expect the Kings to win 40 out of 66 games this season?

I think he's getting a little mixed up in message
We're on pace for 26 right now.

40 out of 66 seems a pretty big stretch (scales up to 43 wins in a 72 game season)

I would’ve been happy with 30-35.

Agh the old season wasn't 72 games

40 out of 66 is equivalent to a 50 win season

I don't

I’m just quoting direct from the radio show.

Just as

An example that maybe fans think we should be on pace for a little more than 25? How many wins would define a successful season for PW to keep his job?

Well

Just for comparison’s sake, if we won 40 games this season. That would give us a 60% record. Last year that would have been good enough for 6th place in the Western Conference. More than doubling our winning percentage over last year.

Considering that we added Hickson, Salmons, and Hayes over last year and lost Dally and Casspi, I think getting close to 40% this season would be a solid improvement. And it should probably earn PW at least another year. If we win less than 25 games, I think PW is probably gone.

Currently we are at 40% against teams that all made the playoffs last year and people are despairing.

We're on pace to win more games than each of the last two seasons

with less games played.

That said, of course the Institute of Small Sample Sizes approved this study.

Lol

Excellent use of the ISSS XD.

Honestly don't recall them talking about possibly going for 40 wins this year

you sure they weren’t talking about a .500 record?

Yeah

It was mentioned by Jason on the Napear show just now. Maybe I’m quoting someone who had a bad source, however. Could be more than possible.

Mayme it was Ross's prediction

After all he’s the guy that kept insisting Rogers was overrated, couldn’t win in the playoffs and that the Packers should have kept Favre.

No way do we win 40 games this year.

No. Way. None.

I think he (or who is he quoting) is getting mixed up and still thinking 82 game schedule

granted, I would still disagree but that’s my guess.

Well,

He was quoting someone from the GrantRant, so it’s entirely possible.

It may take us a season and a half to win 40 games

At least.

I love it when you go all Mary Sunshine on us!
I am a fact-based organism

Upside – less hyperbole.

Downside – They feed me a protein-based paste for sustenance.

Pssh.

I’ve had dinner with you. That was some cleverly disguised protein-based paste.

That was

Jack’s Urban Paste. Sinfullythetically delicious.

Amazing!

It looked just like French fries.

Jason Ross is a Malinda as kisser. He's so full of crap it comes out his ears.
?

really?

He's a pansy all-around.

He never disagrees with anybody and if he does offer his own opinion, it’s wishy-washy.

I like him

Opinions vary, I suppose.

Say somebody calls up and says "Tyreke sucks" and hangs up,

Jason would say “well I’d agree he isn’t doing as well as we all hoped he would do this year but I don’t know if I would say he sucks”.

I’d rather hear Grant tell him he’s a moron.

I'd prefer to not feel like I need to take Bayer every day to avoid a heart attack
Yeah, he's a little too vanilla

Grant’s the other extreme. If JRoss found a bit of an edge, I think he’d be great.

As I said, opinions vary

I’d rather not slam my hand in a car door (Ross) than slam my hand in a car door (Grant). In a perfect world, I’d like my driver to open the car door for me (Jerry Reynolds).

I stand behind this comment 100%.

Just for clarification purposes. Grant is a jerk, so when he kisses ass he does it in a loud, obnoxious, manner. Ross is probably a decent guy and so he goes about it in a different, more subtle way.

His preference is to talk up the team to unreasonable heights ( I can’t tell you how many times he’s talked about the Kings as a playoff team when it was painfully obvious they were very bad), talk of trades as if they were genius when they so clearly aren’t (every time Geoff’s made one of his penny pinching moves Ross trumpets it for giving “flexibility”), and swears (just like Grant) that this year the Maloof’s are totally going to spend in free agency. He also has taken a very pro Maloof stance when it comes to the Arena.

Now you may think that none of this makes him an ass kisser, but if you do I don’t see how you could think Grant is. They say very similar things, the real difference is Ross says them in a gentler, nicer and as caseycheesecake says “wish-washy” way.

So in summary I’d say they’re approximately the same level of ass kisser, Jason is just more subtle/nice about it.

W/L record? I think you were more accurate the first time

I don’t care if they win their games, if they look as disjointed and clueless as they have been on offense. However, if they look good, run plays, pick and rolls, screens, effectively, and don’t have those piss poor match-ups, even if they lose, I’ll be happy how they look.

Am I misunderstanding your post?

Are you saying that you think PW is the Coach to get us to be a good team, or that he can get us to 25 wins?

In answer to both questions

25 wins would give us nearly a 38% winning percentage. The best % since 2007-08. If the fans are expecting much more than that, I think they are setting themslves up to be pretty disappointed. And I’m pretty sure the FO would be happy with an increase from 29% to 38%.

I think a reasonable goal would be to then get close to .500 by 2012-2013. Again this is assuming we continue to improve the roster. I believe that would have us close to the playoffs. My definition of a “good” team.

Is PW the man to take us to a championship? Probably not. But at this point I think we don’t have the staff do do any better.

I always set my self up for disapointment

Tyreke’s first 2 years, I thought they would get 30+ wins. This year I prediced 30+ again. One of these years the Kings will break out and I’ll be right for once. Until then I’ll be blindly optimistic about this team.

I'd rather expect 25

Fear 20, and be pleasantly surprised with 27

i would love for this prediction to be right, and hopefully everyone we play against will go 0-17 from 3pt. land like the hornets.
So, by saying your guess is that people will still call for Westphal irrespective of success in the next few games

Is that you will want to keep him if we win the next two of three?

Or is this the second time I am completely missing your point on this thread, and I apologize if it is.

There are three conditions under which I would be in favor of replacing PW during this season

1) The Maloofs have an agreement with a top notch coach. (Note Keith Smart, Larry Brown, and Eddie Jordan do not qualify as top notch as far as I am concerned)

2) He completely loses the team. We are talking mutiny here. Not young players who are frustrated by losing.

3) A prolonged losing streak (10 games plus would probably do it.)

As I pointed out in another post, integrating young players into a team is not an overnight process. Derrick Rose’s first season with the Bulls, they improved 8 games (the same as the Kings with Evans.) His second year, they improved zero games. The wizard’s first season with John wall, they won 3 less games.

It’s easy to say Westphal is a bad coach. But honestly, I’m just not convinced of that yet.

Excellent comparative analysis
My guess is Cousins comes off the bench for tomorrows game
Wait hold up

out of all the road trips the Kings could have brought more than 12 players, they pick the one with the back-to-back-to-back?

Yep, hows that logic work!? Signs of poor planning IMO
I'm not losing any sleep

over the fact Hassan Whiteside and Tyler Honeycutt won’t be available to play.

yeah fair enough
Cue

chest bump…

Westphal and Demarcus will likely save the chest bump for the Thursday home contest against the Bucks after two big road wins...
Hope they leave it at that...

that was a funny movie, full of awkward
Well Hawes was traded ~4 months after the chest bump, so I think making out is like the kiss of death
I knew it was you

Fredo, Spencer, DeMarcus!

There is no way DeMarcus will do a chest bump with Westphal. No way!

No matter how much Westphal pleads, DMC will have no part of it.

Here's a re-enactment of the blow-up in PW's office.

Actually I believe DMC WILL chest bump Westphal.

He’ll charge into him like on an offensive possession and send Westphal flying into the half court.

Word to DeMarcus Cousins - don't go fishing.
Kings play at Denver on Wednesday, rather than Dallas
Why are they playing the mavericks in Denver?

That doesn’t seem fair to either team.

Kid

Just shut up and play basketball. That is all the organization wants you do.

meh, posted this to FanShots two hours ago.
IT IS A CONSPIRACY
Sorry, you might be new.

There is nothing at all wrong with your post. Tom wrote up a little article about the news that you had in your fanshot. Yours was a link. His had opinion and insight. They are two posts that exist for good reason.

I didn't post that in order to have some completely reasonable response shoved back in my face.
True.

But why did you?

Nobody saw that coming
completely reasonable response
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!
And Amick posted it so the it could be Fanshot

I guess that gives Amick the right for the rare “meh-meh.”

Isn't more of an elongated "mehhhhh?"
Yes,

I think that is much better.

God I hope Geoff Petrie told DMC the following at their Monday meeting…

Look DMC, either you get with the F%#$@*! program or we are going to waste your career making you a scrub that comes off the bench for the last 30 seconds of a game for the next FOUR YEARS, and by doing this the other teams will have fogotten your a good player by the time you come up for your next contract… GOT IT?
why would you want that?

So that he gets with the damn program and starts acting like a professional

if that's truly your goal, your mission in having such a meeting

technically, that might not be the best tactic out there

I don’t like it when good players (not yet great) start trying to run the franchise like they are first team all nba or something

Players need to be whipped back into shape and learn that they don’t run the franchise, they are simply employees and need to act accordingly…

Okay

but again, if your goal is for DMC to get “with the damn program” and to start "acting like a professional, technically this might not be the best tactic out there.

Because if you go down that road all bets are off and all bridges are immediately burned unless you get DMC immediately begging for forgiveness.

and when I saw all bets are off

not just with DMC but possibly with future draft picks, free agents, and the paying fans if the story leakes and your franchise is in the tubes for a decade.

They won't be in the tubes, they will be in Aneheim.
technically this might not be the best tactic out there

Yeah I guess your right, maybe I’m just angry when I hear about this DMC / Ron Artest type of behavior and just wish one time that a precedent would be set so that future players don’t pull this childish BS

Nobody's going to forget he's a good player.

They’re just going to know we wasted him for four years. It’ll probably cost him a few million dollars. Then again it’ll cost us quite a few million dollars as well to do that to him out of spite.

You really think a player would waste 4 years of his career eh? I dont…

I’d just think it would scare him enough to know “Oh yeah I don’t run this asylum”

You really think the franchise would waste 4 years of his career?

As in just pay him to sit on the bench when you could obviously get something for him on the market?

I’m saying that it won’t even get to that point with this threat

Demarcus acts like a child sometimes but he's not a goddamn four year old.

You don’t just make empty threats you’re not willing to back up. If you don’t have any reason to believe the team will follow through on the threat, then it’s not going to scare you.

It’s not an empty threat, its very real and would knock some sense into him

So your answer to whether you think the franchise would follow through is yes?
It worked with Kenny Thomas

Exactly! ;)

Hope Petrie brought in a picture of Kenny into the meeting for DMC to see =P

Make him sweat bullets ;)

Otherwise known as

Westphal Water Torture

It can break even the strongest of men…

=P

I'm sure he told Demarcus to play like he's capable

That he’s certain Westphal wants to win just as much as he does – and that the coaching situation will take care of itself eventually.

I hope our team just did the equivalent of a coach getting thrown out on purpose to fire up his team!

They needed a shot in the arm . . .

I don't understand how...

DMC get’s called out for things like that, but Tyreke gets away with:

Evans quote:“Me and (Thornton) had a long talk in the locker room yesterday,” Evans said. “We just said … we got to find a way. A lot of people complain about the offense, it’s not the greatest offense, but it works when we run it. So we just got to keep playing hard like that. We got tough road games coming up and we got to go out there and play hard.”

Is anyone else a little thrown by that statement? I was like um…what?

Not sure I see a problem with the quote

Plus we have no idea what goes on in practice or the locker room after the game…

You don't see it as

A backhand compliment? That it works when [him and Thornton] run it? And that it’s not a great offense? Coupled with his other comment, it seems like a thinly veiled challenge to the offense.

But hey, maybe just me though. That’s fair enough as well.

Calling it a backhanded compliment might imply an intent to give a backhanded compliment.

I don’t think Tyreke intended it to be read that way.

That's fair

It just appears like that at first blush. But like I said, Tyreke might not have that intent. It’s not exactly reaching to see a possible second meaning, though.

I mean, I would take the “It works when we run it” in two ways – either the players aren’t running the offense as they should be, or PW isn’t good at directing the offense.

I guess we’ll just have to wait for this next stretch of ten games or so to see what will happen.

As has been noted

Tyreke is not the best public speaker. My guess is he mean to say “it doesn’t look like the greatest offense” and screwed it up.

Just my opinion, I think his intention here was to back up Westphal and defend the offense, he just botched it.

Agreed

I usually take what Tyreke says with a grain of salt. He may have good intentions, but can’t communicate it clearly. Something about Tyreke that you just have to accept.

When I watched the interview that was my take as well

I agree

I would assume that Tyreke and Thorton probably aren’t so emotional behind the scenes while DMC is. All the comments about the coaching and offense were bad but Thorton and Tyreke probably weren’t yelling “trade me now” or what ever else that may have been said.

To be fair, that's considerably better than "What offense?"
Which player is going to say that their coach has the greatest offense?

Come on man. Y’all are just reaching now. Even ignoring “it works when we run it,” which clearly means that if it doesn’t look good to the fans, then it’s the players fault.

And then the very next game

they reportedly ran the offense and Marcus and Tyreke both had very good games in a win. The problem I’m seeing with respect to DeMarcus and Tyreke is that when Tyreke disagrees, he at least tries to comply and go along while DeMarcus will continue doing as he sees is best. That’s all speculation on my part, but it could very well go a long way towards explaining Westphal’s treatment of the two young players.

That game and all the quotes coming out about Cousins is why I want Cousins to be benched or gone for the next game as well. I want to see how the team does without Cousins distracting them. Memphis will be without Zach Randolph, Darell Arthur and maybe Mike Conley.

Conley is supposed to play but we'll see
I agree with your observation of Tyreke versus Cousins.

When Tyreke finds himself in hot water or opposition, he is very polite and complies. It is a strategy which has worked well for him, whether he is driving down the highway at 130 mph, hanging out at the mall with friends with pants around their butts, or finding himself in the middle of a drive-by. He is very polite and cooperative with authority figures.

Cousins, on the other hand, thumbs his nose at authority, which tends to get him into problems, with coaches. It is usually over stupid stuff. As you and other have pointed out, he has improved vastly in terms with his on-court demeanor with the refs.

Tyreke and Cousins have very different personalities and ways of dealing with situations.

Rec'd

For refence to Tyreke’s calm demeanor when “finding himself in the middle of a drive-by.”

Hilarious.

Interesting

You like DMC so much, you’ll rip at Tyreke to make him look better?

Face palm

Oh dear, I knew I shouldn’t have posted that. I am a big fan of Reke’s.

My point was that these two guys have very different ways to deal with situations. Reke has an uncanny way of handling himself in stressful situations, while Cousins tends to shoot himself in the foot and turn something inconsequential into something bigger than it has to be.

Perhaps like I just did with the drive by reference.

if it makes you feel better Slam

I read it the way you seem to have meant for it

Me too.
Thanks, Casey and Wally. I do feel better.

As you and other have pointed out, he has improved vastly in terms with his on-court demeanor with the refs.

has he?

I haven't seen it

Although, I don’t think he’s had any T’s yet.

He got the double tech with Pau when their elbows touched
So, not getting back on defense and missing free throws

is ‘not the greatest offense’?

I agree.

Really?

Everyone knows that not getting back on defense is “not the greatest defense.”

Its like "jumbo shrimp"
it’s not the greatest offense, but it works when we run it

So why the hell don’t they “run it”!?

Truly, how can he say it’s not great, but works when its run!?
I mean seriously, wtf!?

This is what I've been harping on

The Kings are a young team, prone to not running their offense and playing me-first basketball. When they play THEIR game, and run THEIR offense, like the Lakers game, it’s great. But they constantly stop doing it, which is a sign of a young team. Experienced teams play to their gameplan. This team is not experienced.

To put it nicely

Tyreke is not the most eloquent person in the nba and I have no idea whether he meant to convey the plain meaning of those words.

My gut feeling is that he meant to say the offense “has not been the best offense” because they aren’t running it very well.

Holy crap, you and I are in complete agreement

The assimilation is complete. :)

Grant Napear is

A tool. Listening to him put the onus all on DeMarcus Cousins. I guess according to him PW poops gold.

Excuse me, I can't help myself

Way to go Ducks!

Better be talkin' Oregon
We don't talk about that team that plays next to Disney land and owned by a douche

Oregon is ok tho

I'm talking about a REAL Duck. A football duck.
Anybody else see Cousins' statement?
Oops, wasn't supposed to post that yet.

From Amick

Kings F DeMarcus Cousins has issued a statement: “I want to address my missing the New Orleans game Sunday. I have not demanded or requested a trade. I don’t agree with the actions taken but will give my sincere effort to put it behind me and compete the best I can for my team.”

Cousins’ statement was sent to media through his agent, John Greig. Clearly this isn’t water under the bridge in their eyes.

That last sentence should've been in the blockquote, that's from Amick.
Not good

That’s not quite the ah shucks can’t we all be friends again apology that would have helped things move ahead smoothly is it?

Good enough

He doesn’t have to agree with the punishment or need for punishment. He simply needs to prioritize playing basketball.

What I find interesting about this whole debacle

is the information gleaned from it in terms of the trade value of DeMarcus. It’s pretty blatant that Houston and Detroit have the hots for DeMarcus. IMO, IF things deteriorated to the point that the Kings felt they had to trade DeMarcus, there really is only one trade that would actually happen. I call it the Mulligan. It’d be Cousins to the Pistons for Monroe straight up. I really can’t see another trade happen, if this is ultimately what it comes down to.

That trade sets the franchise back several years

unless there are draft picks

There might be one

honestly. But this would be a #5 for #7 and change type deal. This is a last resort option, in no way am I condoning such actions today.

There have been some points that were raised which don’t seem to be questioned

1) Cousins actually asked for a trade
2) There is more going on than we know (therefore its worse than just Cousins’ remarks after the NY game)
3) Petrie and the Maloofs signed off verbatim on the press release by Westphal about the situation.
4) The situation would have been leaked if the FO hadn’t released the statement they had, and some reporter would have dug up all the details.

Taking these ideas to be true have been a base of evidence for many of the arguments levied against Cousins, but with the exception of Exhibit G’s opinion, almost no one seems to challenge them.

For issues #1 and 2, I don’t think anyone outside of the immediate situation in the organization really has a clue what the context of Cousins conversations with Westphal have been. There have been plenty of times at work, where if a part of or even a full sentence were taken out of context and presented to someone else, they’d wonder why I wasn’t fired. I don’t trust Paul Westphal to be completely honest when it comes to such a touchy and emotional topic while the team is struggling and his job may be on the line. I don’t think he may be completely lying, but stretching the truth would certainly be possible. Without him/them releasing more information and then just taking Cousins with them on the trip to Memphis just adds to my suspicions about it all. Cousins and his agent continually denying any request also doesn’t help.

On issue #3, I have reservations about going along with the idea that Petrie knew what would be written. I’m fine with at the very least believing that Petrie was aware of arguments between Cousins and Westphal and was ok with Westphal announcing that Cousins needed to sit for 1-3 games to work out their differences after a couple of losses. From his standpoint, he can’t do much after the announcement is made by Westphal to control the situation other than stay silent and do some in-house stuff. Additionally, as others have said, I have never seen a coach take an action like this. It seems very odd and I have a hard time taking the release at face-value.

Issue #4 actually seems almost easy to refute, as I can point to the recent Sloan-Deron Williams fiasco as something that was dealt with silently by the FO and those involved. Nevermind whether you think it was right or wrong to do what anyone did (Deron, Sloan, the FO), but even now fans don’t have a good idea of what went down. Timing-wise, and knowing how Jerry Sloan conducted himself, lots of people have made logical conclusions, but no reporter has come out saying "I dug it up, Deron talked shit on Sloans mom and he went home crying" (sorry for the sarcasm, couldn’t resist). Right now, reviewing everything that the FO, Sloan, and Williams have said, it actually seems just as likely that Sloan was tired of coaching, and Phil Johnson didn’t want to continue on in his 70s without him (those two were best buds). I believe that’s how it happens a lot in the NBA. In-house stuff happens…people argue, fight…but its all resolved without the outside really knowing what happened because no one releases statements like this.

I guess I just don’t agree with how the speculation surrounding the situation seems to have taken off into more and more conclusions about the FO, Cousins, and Westphal. Really just seems like something I can’t for the life of me wrap my head around. Confusing as all hell.

Here is Cwebb's twitter address. Let's ask him to have an intervention with DMC.

@realchriswebber

mr_jasonjones Jason Jones

Cousins will dress for tomorrow’s game but will not start against Memphis

Offer Webber any job he wants with the Kings. We can use him.
WTF is up KINGS fans

Obviously Westphal is garbage. He looks like he’s on prozac and the players obviously don’t have faith in the man’s leadership, BUT why do you all keep treating Big Cuz like he needs to be sucking off your titty still. His attitude on the court and OFF is piss poor. He plays a finesse game when he’s 270 lbs. Man the F up DMC. Im tired of seeing these posts of how talented he is. Talent doesn’t doesn’t win championships. We all just talk about going to the playoffs. We are here to win a championship. We have 0 in Sacramento!!! The attitude needs to change. It starts with the coach, but stop standing up for cousins like he’s your 12 year old niece. Proffesionals with drive and determination win championships. Google DMC’s diet during this last off season and watch this clown talk. His whole life is a joke. Trade this simp for a draft pick AND fire westphal. I’m tired of this garbage basketball with no offensive playbook.

Sigh...

But somehow DMC came into the season much lighter and more in shape than before…

I think you need to take baby steps. Playoffs come before championships.

Yes, coaching and teamwork wins championships. But talent does win championships.

This guy would like to have a word with you.
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And no. Not Chris Rock. The guy he’s making fun of. Even though I despise him, I cannot deny he’s got talent. I will never equate DMC with Kobe, or even say that he has that potential. Too early for that.

But what do you think another draft pick will do? By the time we get more draft picks, contracts from our previous players will expire. And do you really think they’ll want to stick around if the team needs to “re-gel” every year?

if you're talking about where he said he eats

funnel cakes, fried chicken, gummy works, etc. you clearly need to check the batteries in your sacrasm meter.

He's got good taste in one department.

Looks like a young Carmen Electra

Nice going DMC

And that department

Sure isn’t shirt/tie/blazer combos.

Yikes.

The jacket is a different color than the pants

that whole outfit is atrocious. Good thing he’s rich and can pay other people to dress him now.

Could be my bad taste but don’t think his outfit is that bad. A different tie could have pulled the whole outfit together much better though.

the only thing that can remotely attempt to pull that combo together is the chick

You just can’t wear those pants with that jacket

navy blue blazer

done

holy crap she's taller than I thought

or wearing some series heels

I recommend

Energizer. They seem to last longer than my Duracell ones for me.

FWIW

Rocket’s Patrick Patterson,who says he talks w/Cousins almost every day,after checking in w/Cousins:
"It’s just problems in Sac-town," Patterson said. "That’s all it is."
Patterson said he did not know if Cousins will remain with the Kings and did not say if Cousins had confirmed or denied requesting a trade.
"Great question," Patterson said when asked if he thought Cousins would stay. "I wish I knew."
http://blog.chron.com/ultimaterockets/2012/01/rockets-patterson-would-love-to-be-reunited-with-kings-cousins-in-houston/

As a Rockets fan,I sort of have a rooting interest in dysfunction in the Tyreke/Cousins relationship,but d***,I thought it would be between the two fighting to be the Man,not the Coach throwing Cousins out the bus,then backing over him a couple of times. It’s personal w/Westphal:
"I think DeMarcus has to do some soul searching and decide if he’s going to join me in a way that’s desirable and acceptable to this organization." Join ME,not the team,not the Organization,ME.

If Cousins thought this would blow over and he’d be staying in Sacramento,I would assume he’d tell Patterson that.
And whatever Westphal may have meant/intended,I imagine Cousin’s agent will soon enough be asking for a trade. At which point the Kings will be well and truly effed.

He could request a trade all he wants.

Doesn’t mean the Kings will have to trade him.

Kobe requested a trade, then changed his mind.

Just last night, a poster was talking about Hakeem not being to keen on the Rockets early in his career.

Guys can make these statements and then back off them.

When Westphal is gone after this year, I and fully expect him to be, if not sooner, we shall see who the Kings can find to coach. These problems might just clear themselves up in the long run.

Things can improve quicker than we realize sometimes.

We’ll just have to wait and see.

HAKEEM

I remember the HAKEEM days and there was way less media. Maybe HAKEEM was a problem, but in todays era this is OVER.

Didn't Chris Webber

not want to come to the kings after that trade? Didn’t his dad have to have a talk with him? Players can definitely change their minds on that sort of thing. But if the fight is personal with the coach, it might be a little different.

Exactly

Cousins is 4 games away from being a rookie. He is out bitch for the next few years. He needs to suck it up and play with the team or complain and mess up his chances for his big contract, whether the big contract is with us or not.

I tend to ramble on,but

If Cousin’s formally asks for a trade,and genuinely wants out,you don’t think that will be a problem? If the events known were just the “tip of the iceberg”,what do you think is going to happen w/a Cousins who just doesn’t give a flying eff about whatever his coach,teammates or Management says?

Players who ask for a trade,usually get traded. Ask Kevin Martin.
Kobe wasn’t,but he was the face of the Franchise and his demand spurred the Lakers into action. OTOH Odom asked to be traded and he was gone. In Sacramento,Tyreke is more Kobe and Cousins more Odom.

Things may get papered over,but the next time,looking bleak. Jeez,Petrie came out and said that while letting Cousins go on the trip they still had things they disagreed with.

Selfishly I sorta want the situation to explode so my Rockets can get Cousins(altho w/major misgivings),but deep down I’d rather things work out in Sacramento as I like having more really good teams in the NBA more. A mature Cousins,a Tyreke understanding how to make the team better,a caretaker,defending PG who can knock down 3s,a complementary SF and a quality PF so Chuck can be the third big,and you are there.

Of course he said "Trade Me", he probably didn't mean it, but I bet he thought about it

No one wants to come to Sacramento, look at what we ended up with in FA and trades. We’ve got money to throw away and still no one wants to take it.

If no one want to come here, do you think that the players we have now want to be here. I’ll bet PW wants to be somewhere else right now. But, just like the PO had to back him to save face and prove that the teams wasn’t being lead by a mad man. PW probably feels he’s got to stick it out to the bitter end if he’s to ever get a job in pro ball again.

Thanks for clearing that up, patrick patterson
How about Cuz for Lowry and Budinger.
Excellent observation. I missed that.
“I think DeMarcus has to do some soul searching and decide if he’s going to join me in a way that’s desirable and acceptable to this organization.” Join ME,not the team,not the Organization,ME.

I guess Westphal threw the team out the bus along with DMC. You’re right, Tisbee. It does appear to be very personal to Westphal.

lol

“It’s just problems in Sac-town,” Patterson said. “That’s all it is.”

Ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff

Lets start a post

Name some players in history that have been a problem to the team that drafted them into the league but led their teams to conference finals later in their career with the same team. AI is the only one I can think of. TRADE Cousins. Its a lost cause unless he is going to change history. The bridge has already been burned. I am sure he will be a great player, BUT thanks to his own bull&*^ attitude and our out of date coach this will never work.

WEBBER

look at CW. He had a problem with Nelson when he first came into the league. He was still a problem in Washington. He needed to grow up. He ended up being a great player that wasn’t clutch. I love you CW, but we all know its the truth.

I don't know

Where you get the idea that C-Webb wasn’t clutch. He was one of the best men at his position. What is your determination for being a “clutch player?” Just curious as to where you’re basing these statements.

I mean, I can list players that were malcontents that had lots of talent that appeared in the late playoffs. Dennis Rodman, Rasheed Wallace, to name two.

But please don’t make statements like “We all know it’s the truth” when it’s only your opinion.

C-Webb was a choker in big games and never really stepped up in the playoffs

Where’s the ring?

Righttttt

So by your statements, Kendrick Perkins is a clutch player because he has a ring, even if he was riding others to do so.

5× NBA All-Star (1997, 2000–2003)
NBA Rookie of the Year (1994)
All-NBA First Team (2001)
3× All-NBA Second Team (1999, 2002–2003)
All-NBA Third Team (2000)
Consensus NCAA All-American First Team (1993)
Mr. Basketball of Michigan (1991)
#4 Retired by the Sacramento Kings

Looks pretty great to me. If you’re going to take his years in Sac, the playoffs versus the Lakers, and blowing his knee out, and call him not clutch, then you’re either shallow, because you think that what completely defines an NBA player, or you’re a troll. Thank you and good day.

Don’t forget Adam Morrison is clutch too! He has a ring ;)

Who's Adam Morrison?

Oh, you mean this guy?

Based on rings, he became a legend before Lebron
C-Webb

like most players, see Duncan , Kobe etc, stunk in the playoffs at first then got better.
C-Webb followed the same path.

Rodman?Wallace?

Rodman stayed in line with the Pistons. He had a team ordered psych doctor. Wallace didn’t do jack ish with the Bullets. Re-Read the post. I didn’t say there was no hope for DMC. He just needs to grow up and it’s not going to be with the kings. When I say clutch I think of Montana, Jordan, Wade. CWebb and clutch don’t go hand in hand. Bibby hit the BIG game winners. Webber career game winners 6 for 19. 31%. OMG hes on fire!!! Never hit a playoff winner OHHH FOR!!!

I may have missed it, but I really only remember Bibby hitting 1 big game winner

Vs LA. I know it was a big game, but can Bibby really be clutch for 1 shot?

yeah, you missed it
Bibby was the player, who caught my attention and turned me into a basketball fan 10 years ago with his clutch play.
Barking up the wrong tree

I didn’t ask for Webber’s stats. CW was a great player. Just when I think of clutch players Webber does not come to mind. Now if this was a discussion of most clutch players in KINGS Franchise. Then yes. Webber is there.

Whoa whoa whoa! No way!

Preface: I started out this and you wrote your other comment-But here it is anyway. But you were writing about DMC and how Webber didn’t develop on those teams until he came into Sac. And then you listed about how he “Wasn’t clutch”. Maybe I"m not connecting the points, but I fail to see how him “not being clutch in your opinion” has anything to do with him maturing on another team.

And the stats of those “clutch players” you probably think about -

Kobe’s career average for game winners (as of 2009) was 14/56, or 0.25.

Guess Webb’s in pretty good company then.

Oh, and by the way. Dwayne Wade? As of 2009, also from the same stats…

11/40 Career. 2/2 were in playoffs. So yeah. I definitely think of Wade a lot, seeing all the shots he’s taken throughout his career.

So C-Webb had a better percentage of game winners than Kobe and Wade.

Point is, you can’t base greatness off of “being clutch” as you define it. Yes, Bibby hit clutch shots, some game winners, but he’s relatively faded into obscurity. So let’s not use your definition of clutch, shall we? There are great players, and not great players.

Oh but yes, by all means, our PF should be the one taking long range shots with players like Peja and Bibby who were 3 point shooters if you wanted to consider him clutch. (Even though he did hit that 3 point game winner vs. the Bucks)

You know what, youre RIGHT

I used clutch in the wrong context. I was using the word clutch based off just game winners. Webber did show up in big games. I love CW, don’t get me wrong. Did I say Kobe? I don’t appreciate you affiliating me with that douchebag. To the point. All I am trying to say is I think DMC is past the point of no return for the Kings. I don’t recall young players with early team problems pulling it together with the same team. Maybe A.I. I can’t stand Cousins’ on the court effort and expressions. Westphal is an idiot and I understand Cousins’ antics towards the coach, but this isn’t hs or college anymore. Everyone hates their boss at times, but if you can’t do what is being asked of you them it is time to transfer. SACK UP.

The "Reply" button is your friend.
thats what Jimmer said when he pulled it out of your mouth

You just created your account so you could come on here and be a troll and now your making personal insults bhallofgame? Chill…

Rec'd button is my friend

HarveySpecter do you taste that? It taste’s like VICTORY! ;)

Victory will taste even better when this team moves to Socal

if we don’t pull it together soon

I think that is more based on a new arena and funding, not team record or ticket sales

I could be wrong tho…

So you're under the impression that the Maloofs

have nothing to do with how this team has tanked and disassembled?

I would

be careful, your replies are getting a little too close to trolling and getting personal, which will get you booted.

While you have your fun, I will bring that umbrella that Westphal seems to use to deflect all the attention away from him.

BHALLofGAME is nothing but a troll, he JUST created his account in order to come on here and talk smack. I’ll simply report him to the mod’s to take out the trash. I suggest others do the same…

If you report BHALLofGAME

the Wizard will curse you
Tisdale will roll over in his grave (God Bless the Man)
and Lionel Simmons will get recurring tendanitis from playing too much 2k12

Was he really SWINGIN? I thought he was christian.
Rec'd

for the short shorts.

These are your first 14 comments?

Slow start my friend. I suggest you read for a while, learn, and then start commenting. Hopefully , then you will write something worth reading

but it was funny

how adelman was gone after the second downtown stadium proposal was shut down. But yeah, this has nothing to do with the organization. Just funding.

Maloofs have no say in the arena

We get the funding and we stay, otherwise they are free to go. KJ doesn’t even bother inviting the Maloofs to the meetings since he only really needs to impress David Stern and the NBA. Win-loss and ticket sales don’t matter to the Sacramento arena. As long as Kevin Johnson does his thing we will be able to watch our western conference bottom feeder for years to come.

He's not worth the effort at this point

wait for him to flame out

Any predictions

for what is to come during the game tomorrow?

I predict

After the 40 pt whooping that the grizz took by the bulls, they are going to be happy to see us. I also predict to see reke skip down the court a few times, Salmons dribble into the corner, and Thorton moan and pout entirely too much. Hopefully Grant can sugarcoat all of this. Kings won’t cover the spread. I hope I’m wrong.

They won't be happy to see Tyreke

{Insert half court game winner}

Dmc wont learn

This type of outburst from dmc will still happen again soon… Thats just the type of person he is…. I would really listen to offers and once a good deal is there, i would definitely pull the trigger… And please fire westphal… These 2 bums need to go!

So...

What’d I miss?

BHALLofGAME

BHALLofGAME is a douche-bucket. He has nothing better to do with his time, so he insists on being a total tool.

Guys i am not a site moderator and yes Bhall is trolling, but personal attacks are not and should not be allowed..please refrain from them

Just read the comments. lol

BTW,

HAPPY NEW YEAR STR! I know it’s kinda late but I try. :D

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