Sactown Royalty

CousinsEvansDUO - January 27, 2012 reply

lol man wally you are like the funniest guy ever :D

but I didn't write the funny part

it was nakaisgod

A definite bright spot

“Better to light a candle than to curse the darkness.” ~Chinese Proverb

BurningFeathers - January 27, 2012 reply

68% TS% in last 3 games

50% is good
60% is exceptional
68% is Jimmer

(Well, for the season he is just over 48% TS%.)

For a guard

51.9% is league average (off of 7.7 shots and 2 free throw attempts)

BurningFeathers - January 27, 2012 reply

Salmons is at 40%...

Interesting enough the 4 veterans that we add have the 4 worst TS%

And, if you eliminate Honeycutt because of his limited minutes, the 6 players returning from last season have the highest TS%.

I guess that’s what happens when you try to add veteran defense to the roster. Thanks Paul

HighTops - January 27, 2012 reply

How will team deal with Jimmer's polarizing appeal

If he continues to improve and play well it will be intersting to see how some of the veterans deal with it and how Jimmer deals with it as well. Many of the “vets” here r younger and possibly more immature than Fredette and they may feel like he is takin some of the limelight away from them. Just reading many of the the comments from the article of him it seems like he is rather polarizing in a Tebowish type of way. Wait till his teammates see how those people in Utah treat him…….he’s so big there Romney’s going to ask him to be running mate! Jimmer’s humility can only help…but it could dicey

Going high in the draft leads to expectations

I could as easily argue that his teammates would be unhappy if he doesn’t evolve into an impact player. The expectations for Jimmer are already set pretty high and that includes him getting a lot of fan attention. I don’t see his teammates getting upset with that. It is to be expected.

This is true

However…with him it seems to be more. Not sure if it’s because of his appearnace or his Opie Cunningham type of personna…but people consistantly argue of wether or not he’s any good…he is a polarizing dude

I'm sorry but completely different than Tebow

I agree...not the religious thing and all that but

still polarizing in the fact that there is such a range of people’s opinions of how he’s gonna do….not to mention clean cut image.

well, considering haven't seen any player upset about his clean cut image or that we as fans even know the guy personally

I dunno what to say.

I don't get this polarization.

The press on Jimmer is extremely positive. Jimmer gets a very strong positive reaction. And I don’t see the negative side that would demonstrate polarization.

To be polarizing you have to have two opposing and equally strong reactions both positive and negative. Some people question the positive reaction, but that doesn’t mean they are reacting with equal strength in a negative way.

There just isn’t a “I hate Jimmer” fan group out there…

Pruiti article extremely opositive?

Not to mention comments on StR 2 weeks ago were pretty close to “I hate Jimmer”. Rick Reilly wrote a pretty scathing(lol) article on him after NCAA last yr. I would say he’s the most polarizing guy on this team

Jimmer was playing like crap, the team was playing like crap, and there were people jumping in here acting like he's a diety, of course people would write stuff here about how Jimmer sucks.

Have you seen the criticisms of Reke (NaPG) and Cousins (Red Flags!) and the hype of Reke (20-5-5 Michael Jordan!) and Cousins (Best Big Man of his Generation!)?

Trust me, we Kings fans know how to blow shit out of proportion.

point taken

Please don’t scathe me

DON'T SCATHE ME, BRO!

Hey wally

I think you need a new avatar :)

And that sort of media attention is new?

Tyreke Evans has major negative media stuff because of an incident involving a shooting and then had the whole driving like a mad man incident.

Cousins had a very negative rap with the whole red flags issues and stories about his problems with previous coaches and his attitude.

And somehow Jimmers negatives, which are finite in comparison that those issues, is divisive? That he polarizes people in a negative way?

I think this has no merit.

You obviously dont understand the meaning of the word poloarizing

divide or cause to divide into two sharply contrasting groups or sets of opinions or belief…

So yes, he is a polarizing player. Some people love his game and think he will be an all-star some day, others hate it and think he will be a decent bench player at best

Since'89 - January 27, 2012 reply

polarizing**

Since'89 - January 27, 2012 reply

Sorry I don't see all the hate.

Respectfully disagree

The comments around here were not so much “I hate Jimmer” as much as they were “I hate Jimmer jockriders.”

section214 - January 27, 2012 reply

yeah that's actually how I remembered it (at least those were my comments and conversations)

Even most of the positive 'hype' here

has been tongue-in-cheek, over the top fun.

true

but there’s been some heavy jockriding too

You called?

ewwwww

that is, like, totally polarizing

Why would they care about how he's treated in Utah?

And hey, we Kings fans know how to get way excited for rookies. Have you seen the last few seasons?

Eh actually will reword

if the team keeps on sucking and the organization keeps pumping Jimmer as a marketing tool or giving him special privileges (for example purposes, perhaps letting him use the Kings logo on his official website while not letting other players do it in the past) than yes I could certaintly see some jealously.

How Utah fans react? Meh.

lol @ previous comment

I don't see it

Jimmer is also a good passer.

Neither Jimmer or Evans is a pure PG, but they both are willing enough and good enough passers to give us a back court who distributes as much as most PG-SG combos.

If the team starts winning. And Jimmer is hitting threes and opening the key. I don’t see “jealousy” being an issue.

"Polarizing appeal?"

I sure haven’t seen that in Sacramento or at StR. The few times I’ve seen comments from his teammates they’ve been extremely positive.

Cousins has hated him

since his jersey sales numbers got Jimmered.

dethtruk - January 27, 2012 reply

the sad part

is I can’t tell if you are joking

I am happy that Jimmer is improving

but I am going suprised we don’t have an app on the front page that tells us every time he takes a dump or burps.
He gets more press than Reke did his rookie year going 20-5-5 (Only 3 other guys did it you know)
Not Jimmers fault, but it does do 2 thing to me; Tires me out and makes me wonder why.
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Drop the going (Shit! I actually proof read this one)

add a ’ after the last Jimmer

Read above post

I think it's more of a left-over reaction to his 40+ and 50+ games in college (something most rookies don't do).

And I agree with your take on Reke, but in terms of Jimmer’s attention he received in college, you’d almost question why an organization wouldn’t try to ride that train for as long as they could.

I doubt there will be a “Jimmer tracker” on the kings frontpage next season, even if he averages 12 points a game. The fire will have died. But if the Kings start winning, and he starts consistently putting up 20 pt. games, that college attention is bound to stick at some level, and it would be poor marketing not to capitalize. None of that means Reke’s rookie year wasn’t more impressive, but if you have a media sensation then you should probably roll with it.

feelgood - January 27, 2012 reply

Yes, you're right.

Presenting info on the Kings’ lotto pick’s recent shooting after a long slump is inappropriately detailed for the front page of a website about the Sacramento Kings. What was I thinking?

Tom Ziller - January 27, 2012 reply

He scathed you Tom

I got the H out

and I actually scatted tom – dee dee dee do dee da do dooo do doop!!!!
Obviously I wasn’t singling out this one article, more that there have been 16437 since we drafted him , all with at least 600 comments from the fanboys.
I had 3 points to make , but I only remember 2, so I am dropping out now.

Even I am sick of all the Jimmer attention and I am a BYU fan

But I just laughed when you said Jimmer is getting more attention than Evans did. Do you really think Mr. 20-5-5 got any less attention two years ago? As someone who wanted Rubio I can tell you I was sick of the Evans fawning as much as you are of the Jimmer love.

you didn't even live in Sac did you?

because just living here now versus Reke’s rookie year, Reke was a a MUCH bigger deal around town.

Yeah Tyreke hype was crazy.

In retrospect I think it was the worst thing to happen to him.

Aykis16 - January 27, 2012 reply

Nope

I got it all second hand. We have lots of family that still live in the Sac area.

yeah the Jimmer stuff absolutely pales in comparison here in Sac

it’s no contest, everybody was talking about Reke. There was a serious buzz for the first third of that season about the team but even when things went in the tank everyone was still talking about Reke. It definitely passed the “Conversations with random strangers at the watering hole” test.

derp

*Everyone was still talking about Reke

I get it ....pales

…funny

The thing is,

’Reke did something to make himself a conversation piece – the chase for 20-5-5. As corrupt as the franchise whoring was, it was still an amazing feat. Jimmer, on the other hand, has done nothing as a pro to merit all of this attention.

Fun fact: Spencer Hawes was a #10 pick, too.

section214 - January 27, 2012 reply

True

He’s not getting his attention because of what he did as a pro. He earned the attention in college. And as a result much of the attention he has gotten as a pro is why he won’t pan out, isn’t panning out, can’t play D, etc.

Honestly, it’s not much different from Rubio, Casspi, etc.

The comparison to Rubio is very apt

section214 - January 27, 2012 reply

Okay

but regardless, it’s still not nearly at the same level as Reke was regardless of whether one wants to argue one was more worthy of his hype. I’m only talking to the fact that everyone in town was talking about Reke, regardless of whether they should or not.

When you make the dumps/burps dot diagram, I vote for brown for the dumps and a dark green for the burps.

Wow Ziller

Fredette continues to struggle in all other facets of the game ~~- defense, creating off of the dribble -~~

Why you gotta be so scathing?

Exhibit G - January 27, 2012 reply

Stupid strikethrough shouldn't be there.

Exhibit G - January 27, 2012 reply

His defense has been atrocious - both man and team. I think he's been better off the dribble though.

Making better passes and not getting trapped as much. He’s probably have more assists too if kicking out for an Evans or Hickson jumper wasn’t more likely to create a rebound than an assist.

Our bigs play the screen like crap though

They don’t jump out and get out of way, put pressure on the guy with the ball, and give Jimmer time to go around. They also don’t block cutter when Jimmer tries to force them into the big behind him. Instead they follow their guy and leave the lane wide open.

It is not that Jimmer is great defensively, but taken in the context of really piss poor help and team defense it is difficult to really tell how much is on him and how much is on the team.

Our team D is terrible

But I think it’s pretty easy to watch the games and tell that Jimmer is awful defensively. He’s one of our few players that gets burned consistently 1 on 1. Would be interested in Synergy stats for him, but imagine they are pretty bad.

He also has no concept of team D (which is true for a lot of our team).

No need to defend him on defense. Right now he needs to be playing good offense to make up for what he gives up on the other end. Same could be said of players like Peja & Nowitski early in their careers and they both became solid man defenders and good team defenders.

So it’s not a summation of what he will be for his career. But for today he is terrible defensively.

It is true. He really is not a good one one one guy.

That said, I have repeatedly seen the above issues I noted above. And I would disagree that he has not concept of team defense. I think he expects better team defense than exists or that he gets from his team mates.

Jimmer has a bit of a curve to climb in one on one defense and pretty consistently defends like he would in a zone or with help defense. He seems to expect the help defense to be there and it just isn’t. Sure, that means his one on one defense isn’t great, but if our team defense was better he would fit right in.

I can get behind some of this, but

Sure, that means his one on one defense isn’t great, but if our team defense was better he would fit right in.

You could put Jimmer on the Heat, Thunder or Nuggests and he’d be a defensive liability. Some of if is just being a rookie. Some of it is his below average athleticism (for the NBA) and some is that he wasn’t asked to play D in college. He seems to be bright and I think he will become an adequate man and good team defender with time. But it’s not the team causing his defensive problems.

Sorry, I just don't see it that way.

He’s certainly more athletic then Beno, and he gets thru screens pretty well. He rotates well and has had some good steals in the passing lane, even on the inbound pass. The fact that he gets beat isn’t unusual for any guard. No one stays in front of his man every time, that’s why they tend to cut off one direction and funnel the ball toward the baseline where their help should be. The fact that the Kings don’t give help in the paint, doesn’t mean that Jimmer isn’t being instructed to direct the ball there.

He chases his man around screens which is more than I can say about Tyreke. Overall, considering the lack of any summer games, preseason, and only after 20 professional games, I’d say that Jimmer is way ahead of the norm defensively for a rookie.

HighTops - January 27, 2012 reply

Wow, you're seeing something much different than I am

Totally agree

To be honest

I usually struggle to see how a guard is a good defender unless they are insanely good (bought up all the Kyle Lowry stock I could find about 3 or 4 years ago) but for what it’s worth I don’t see how Jimmer is so bad.

Granted, doesn’t seem good but he looks pretty similar to a lot of young guys. I actually love how he gets back in transition (is it just me or hasn’t he actually stopped a few transition buckets already?)

Of course, I’m the idiot who thinks he is an alright athlete.

boredwiththeUSA - January 27, 2012 reply

Shouldn't have gotten rid of Beno

He would have been a good tutor for Jimmer.

Am I the only one who really wants to play Connect Four all of a sudden after looking at that graph?

If u look sideways at the dots it spells out a code

red dots read…“Fire”
green dots..“Petrie”

Now, this is an article worthy of a tweet. Rec'd

Unlike that scathing piece posted yesterday. Refreshing to read 80 percent positive statements at the beginning of your piece, with that negative stuff at the end.

I dunno

Maybe you should leave that argument in that thread?

This is a nice upbeat piece on Jimmer.

It is current and newsworthy.

There is irony in the fact that the content (percentage of positive commentary to negative commentary) is a reversal of yesterday’s. Seemed quite apropos to point that out.

The scathing commentary was already broached in the tread ahead of me.

^thread

Up to you

You seemed exasperated by having to deal with the ongoing back and forth in that other thread, that’s all.

And I’m not sure that’s “irony”…

caseycheesecake - January 27, 2012 reply

Slam_Dunk is Alanis Morissette?

The irony comes in...

because TZ’s piece was about 80 percent favorable commentary to Fredette to about 20% negative at the end, which was in opposition to Pruiti’s piece being about 80 percent negative commentary on Fredette followed by 20 percent positive commentary.

how is that irony?

The only way it would be ironic is if anyone was complaining about this being a fluff piece.

This wasn't a fluff piece and I didn't mean ironic in that way.

Just ironic this piece was written with a reversal of the favorable/unfavorable percentage in the written construct of the piece. Nothing more than that.

Will make sure that all NBA bloggers know there is a required amount of sunshine and rainbows needed for everything Kings related

He he...

This is what it means to be a Kings fan

And I mean that whether the rainbow is going our or coming in.

Now that is funny! LOL

Um...

Whoops. I’m just going to post this to every thread from now on.

It's beautiful

Especially that the rainbow puke looks like a wizard’s hat.

Double Rainbow Puking Unicorns..WHATS IT ALL MEAN!

Widowwolf - January 28, 2012 reply

The more experience/confidence Jimmer gets the better he'll become.

I’m not worried at all at this point about his scoring ability, I think he has way too nice of a shot for it to not come around eventually and then he’ll be lighting teams up for 25+ on a consistent basis. He also looks to have some promise at the point guard position, he has pretty good court vision for a rook but he just doesn’t have enough experience there yet. The one thing I am worried about is his D. He needs to dedicate himself to learning defense in my opinion, when he can hold his own on that end of the floor we’ll have ourselves a very nice player. I don’t get the Jimmer bashers though, they must think every rookie should have a rookie year like Reke did or sumpin. Oh and if you’re reading this, Jimmer, stop leaving your feet to pass, TYIA.

25 on a nightly basis might be a bit of a reach

Not in a couple of years, or is that still thinking too positive?

Not every night either, obviously.

Just think he has a pretty shot and could score 25 easily if it’s on.

oh sorry

when I saw consistent basis I thought you meant averaging around 25 a night

Consistent to me would be if he scored 25+ 6 out of 10 games...I guess, I dunno.

He’s not Kobe Bryant and never will be, don’t get me wrong, lol.

Like a decent percentage of the male population

I am red green colorblind. That shot chart is unreadable to me.

Deleran - January 27, 2012 via mobile reply

What colors/color do you see when it's either green or red?

The greens appear red

This was apparently a feature of my android’s display however. Now that I’m on my laptop its readable.

Deleran - January 27, 2012 reply

Ha

I was just going to say the same thing. I had to concentrate to try make sure I was seeing which ones were green and which were red.

kingsforaday - January 27, 2012 reply

Just for you colorblind folk

Count the bouncing Jimmer heads

Is it a bad sign that I still giggle like a 5th grader when I see Jimmer & Head in the same sentence?

THANK YOU.

I’m colorblind and honestly couldn’t see any difference in the first one. Made me curse my eyes. Otherwise, a nice little info graphic there.

dethtruk - January 27, 2012 reply

If it was a John Salmons shot chart, you would be able to read it.

Visualization of John Salmon's Shot Chart

HeuristicLineup - January 27, 2012 reply

Flagged

I dont see a single brick in that photo.

Wonderchild - January 27, 2012 reply

I am 100% in love with jimmers fast break 3’s…they just look so easy and in a great fluid-motion. they gotta keep passing it to him on the fast break because often we miss contested layups on the fast break and we don’t miss as much when jimmer is wide open @ the 3.

CousinsEvansDUO - January 27, 2012 reply

For Jimmer,

a 3 point shot is a layup.

I think you're mistaking

Jimmer for Peja.

HarveySpecter - January 27, 2012 via Android app reply

No

I was just having fun with the Jimmermania. See Fake Facts About Jimmer for more fun. Though 12/20 on 3-pointers in the last four games is a good sign. It may actually be as high as the rest of the team’s layup percentage during that time.