Sactown Royalty

hey don't hate on the magic known as gifs

crap that reminds, completely forgot where my next dancing gif was, damn it.

section214 - January 28, 2012 reply

sims - it's about time you stood up for Jimmer - the little guy has been taking it in the shorts all season with little to no protection from you -the defender of the underdog

Glad to see you step up for your boy. Scathing usually bumps off sims, I’m surprised he even noticed. Tender are the aging.

Bluejohn - January 28, 2012 reply

We lose the mismatch with MT IT or Jimmer paired with him

If we could get a 6’7" starting SG, then you would see some serious mismatches

Would much prefer a point guard who can distribute easier buckets and move Reke to the 2 spot then try and look for a taller SG

just sayin

This I could see

Putting Reke at the 3 is a desperation move. And I realize we are desperate, but how about just letting Cisco play there until Petrie actually gets a realistic option?

Tomato tamahto

Whoever is paired with Reke will still need to be a shooter and Reke will always be the dominate ball handler, so why not make him 6’7" and one of them will be impossible to guard by the other teams point.

excuse me him/her

I am nothing if not politically correct

I say we put Cousins at Small Forward

Because we are obviously not winning ballgames with him at Center or Power Forward.

Funny, but true

I don’t mind acquiring a vet PG, it’s something I wanted us to do in the offseason for our bench. But long term, Evans is our primary ball handler. I would rather have him learn now, instead of making a move for some short term wins, that stunts our long term growth.

NOOOOO HE'S A POINT GUARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Calderon is also reportedly on the block

Calderon costs a few million more dollars next year but id rather obtain a point guard that is known for passing and Calderon also gets steals here and there and is a great outside shooter. Devin Harris seems like what we already have…slashers who can’t shoot. It would be interesting thought to see Reke at sf if the Kings did acquire Harris.

Bambooozled - January 28, 2012 via mobile reply

Plus

Toronto may be willing to look at Thompson or Hickson to provide more depth with Andrea having injury troubles.

Calderon >>> Harris (even when considering contracts)

ajd1083 - January 28, 2012 via mobile reply

Options

Trade No. 1 –
To TOR: Tyreke Evans, J.J. Hickson
To SAC: Jose Calderon, Ed Davis, 2012 Lottery Pick (TOR)

Trade No. 2 –
To TOR – Jason Thompson, Isaiah Thomas, Hassan Whiteside
To SAC – Jose Calderon

Trade No. 3 –
To TOR – Chris Kaman
To SAC – Jose Calderon
To New Orleans – J.J. Hickson (or Jason Thompson)

sroufe - January 28, 2012 reply

I like 1 and 3 as long and the lottery pick is unprotected

Trade 1
Ed Davis is a better Hickson.

Jose is a PG that we could use.

The Toronto pick will give us 2 top 10 picks and possibly put us in the situation the Cavs had last year, but in a better draft.

Trade 2

Only if it was a straight up trade for one of the 3, not all 3. Even then, I would like to see Whiteside play a NBA game or 2 before we trade him.

Trade 3

Kaman is better than JJ and JT. The dealbreaker could be the contract issues that come with an unrestricted FA.

I got scathed when I mentioned Calderon in a trade last week

I feel like there might be something to look at there…especially in a larger packaged deal like the one referenced below. Happy to read that a few other fans seem to agree with me.

Defense (as usual) would be the big question mark, but then again, our offense isn’t exactly impressing as we’d hoped it would so far this season.

I think you got scathed for pushing Tyreke for Calderon

In which you deserved it. I would love to have Calderon buy giving up Reke would be way too much to give up.

Allbenji - January 28, 2012 via mobile reply

I can understand that the implication was a straight-up trade

But in my mind Reke is a slightly better piece than Calderon, so I would have expected a little something extra. Based on PER and team need, I think that Jose would be a better fit here than some folks are appreciating.

A slightly upgraded Beno, if you will.

Stars win in this league

Not “slightly upgraded Benos”

Is Reke a star? No but he is a potential star. So unless you are getting a potential star back for him trading him would be a huge mistake. You may not like Reke or his style of play but it doesn’t change the fact he is a potential star.

You can argue you don’t think he would become a star & I would tell you it’s way too early to tell either way. We KNOW Calderon is not a star & will never be one. So i’ll stick with Reke for now.

If you want to add Calderon I’m all for that but not at the expense of Reke or Cuz. You don’t trade potential stars for role players you add role players to the potential stars.

Allbenji - January 28, 2012 via mobile reply

did beno ever average 8st or more per gam?

Bambooozled - January 28, 2012 via mobile reply

dam phone.

I meant 8ast per game or more.

Bambooozled - January 28, 2012 via mobile reply

Agree. I was hoping Calderon would get amnestied. I would love to get him.

But Toronto has nothing I would give up Evans for.

Reke for Calderon?

Calderon will be lucky if he has his starting job by the trade deadline

why is that?

I think Calderon would start on at least a dozen NBA teams. Not to mention, there may not be another team in the NBA as much in need of a true PG than the Kings.

Wasn't saying if there was a trade he'd be lucky

I mean he will literally be lucky right now if he has his starting job past the trade deadline

Who would take his job?

Charlieb - January 28, 2012 reply

anyone the Raptors can trade for or Bayless

Got it.

But when Bargnani comes back for Toronto, how many other players out there could be a better distributor for him than Calderon (taking into consideration who Toronto could possibly trade for with their existing roster).

I can understand that right now they are more in need of volume scoring, but this is a pretty aberrant scenario for the Raptors right now.

it's not just because they need volume scoring. That's a small part of it

Calderon blows donkey balls on defense

Reke doesn't blow me away on defense

He likes to get up for marquee matchups, but night in and night out I’m not generally that impressed. Mind you, I’m not comparing him directly to Jose, but still.

In a vacuum, I could totally forgive the defense of a guy like Calderon for all that he brings on the other side of the court. The problem is that we don’t have enough stoppers around him to make up the difference.

So, in summary, I agree that Calderon for Reke is far for a panacea for us. I just think his type of basketball might be a necessary piece for success a bit down the road. That is, unless Jimmer or Isaiah can evolve effectively into that mold (high assist-turnover ratio, facilitator of offensive sets).

Well not going to argue that "his type of basketball" isn't a necessary piece here

Just Calderon himself isn’t THAT necessary is all. You can get better for cheaper

You may be right

I just look at his stats and begin to salivate. Especially three or four years ago (and he’s only 30). A/T ratio, FG%, 3PT%, FT%, consistent health.

His numbers in those areas on this current Kings roster would be pretty much off the charts across the board (assuming he maintained…which is always a bad assumption with players coming to Sactown).

consistent health

not quite sure about that. That’s actually a big problem with him.

He's been really banged up with hamstring issues

He’s often played on it but it’s a huge reason why he is much less of a threat with the ball compared to what he used to be (and a big reason why he misses games). Here’s a good indicator of his changed shot selection over the years.

You don’t want to give up a potential franchise guy for someone like that in their 30s unless you know some super secret way to heal him.

This is the problem with obsessing over "traditional" point guards IMO

Jose Calderon plays 34 minutes per game. He has a great assist rate at 43.8%.

And the Toronto Raptors are 6-14 and are 28th in offensive rating.

BUT HE WOULD SOLVE ALL OUR PROBLEMS!

Reke is fine on defense and occasionally great

Calderon is awful.

Hell yes, sign me up for Calderon

He has the lowest assist to turnover ratio in the league (an outstanding 8.4 assists per 1.8 turnovers).

CloudyEyes - January 28, 2012 reply

If i remember correctly, he had about the same numbers off the bench a few years ago

so it gives us options if he doesn’t demand to start.

I like any deal for Calderon

That doesn’t involve Tyreke or Demarcus.

Carl - January 28, 2012 reply

CALDERON IS A POINT GUARD

WE ALREADY HAVE ONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 TYREKE IS A PINT GUARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

If a team is going to spend big bucks on Harris who is struggling in a big way

why not spend roughly the same amount on Calderon who is playing up to his statistical average? Per ESPN, Toronto has been trying to trade him for a year and a half and at this point may not be too picky about what they get back.

Bluejohn - January 28, 2012 reply

I'm all for making moves but I don't think Harris is the right one

We will have to overpay to get talent with our current situation. My honest opinion is that we should wait out the year with Keith Smart and see what he can do with this roster. If the organization likes what he’s doing we start building then a team for him and his style startin in the draft. If he’s not doing a good job make a run at Sloan and give him whatever he wants, make a strong run at Batum or Wallace, whichever the blazers don’t resign, and build from there.

I would rather suffer through the rest of this crappy year and retain flexibility than use it up on someone that we can’t get rid of, considering everything is in such disarray right now. Our organization is a mess.

Merickel - January 28, 2012 via mobile reply

I'm not pushing for Harris

But why do we need flexibility? We’ve had flexibility for years & haven’t used it. Who are we saving it for? Chris Paul? He’s not coming here so we have to take a shot at some mid to upper mid type players.

The clippers took a shot at Caron Butler & Memphis took a shot at z-Bo. They both worked out. These are the only type of moves that are available to us. What are we saving all this cap space for?

Allbenji - January 28, 2012 via mobile reply

I understand the frustration and what you are saying

I am all for spending, just not for spending to spend. Also I would rather have flexibility in the near future because I’m hoping (probably rather stupidly) that the Malloofs will make a run at Sloan and then Petrie can use that flexibility to build a team to the strengths of a Sloan system. And if they keep Keith smart then they can build to that system instead, but as it looks right now I wouldnt be surprised if he were gone by next season.

So by all means, if a good opportunity presents its self pull the trigger, but don’t just go out and get another poor shooting guard to try and fix our woes that is going to lock up quite a bit of money when you have people like batum as hibbert coming up as RFA’s.

Merickel - January 28, 2012 via mobile reply

Harris is just redundancy.

At this point put Reke at the 3 and see what happens. Take Salmons out of the starting lineup, please. We can’t be beaten any worse than we have been so try something different, please. Forget Harris. We need a SF.

Bill2 - January 28, 2012 reply

If we don't make a trade for a PG

Then I’d rather see Smart give this lineup some run:

PG Thomas
SG Thorton
SF Evans
PF Hayes
C Cousins

Bench Rotation
Salmons
Jimmer
Hickson
Greene

ajd1083 - January 28, 2012 via mobile reply

This.

Until Jimmer starts really getting more comfortable, Thomas is preferable.

But what happened to JT?

JT would be in the bench rotation...my bad.

ajd1083 - January 28, 2012 via mobile reply

I think Thornton needs to come off the bench

He would do so much better if he came off the bench and he knew his main objective was to score. I want to see :Thomas, Evans, salmons/Greene (both bad), Thompson, Cousins. Bench would be: Jimmer, Thornton, Garcia, Hayes, JJ

Chent - January 28, 2012 via mobile reply

'REKE AT THE 3??????/?/????

NOOOOOOOOOO HE’S A POINT GUARD11

I would do it

If it meant sending out 1 of Garcia/Salmons/Thornton. Id of course rather keep Thornton if all I was getting back was Harris, but if we got something else in return with Harris then maybe. Unless 1 of our bigger contracts is going out then I wouldn’t do it. Things I like about Harris though is his speed, defense, and did I say speed.. he would be good on the fastbreak.

Chent - January 28, 2012 via mobile reply

If we could swap Salmons for Harris straight up

I’d do it in a heartbeat.

You never know

Their both doing horrible and have big contracts. They need wings, Salmons would be doing way better if he was more involved in the offense and played the 2 guard. I think he’s an unathletic 2 guard who is decent at scoring, defending 2s. And we have him guarding and going against some of the taller most athletic players in the league. GEOFF, think about fit for once.

Chent - January 28, 2012 via mobile reply

Trade Reke, salmons

Trade Tyreke and Salmons for D Favors and Devin Harris. Get a better PG and PF of the future to play next to Cousins. Salary pretty close

prostacker - January 28, 2012 via mobile reply

We would get better.

But Favors has a lot of maturing to do.

I would hold on that until after the draft

We are going to have a good chance at Anthony Davis or some of the other PF that I feel are better than Favors. I’m all for tradiing Tyreke, but I don’t think this is the right package for him.

If things keep going sideways for Orlando

I wonder if they would consider options for Nelson. His toughness in the backcourt with Thornton would be fun to see. Then have a change of pace PG off the bench in Thomas.

ajd1083 - January 28, 2012 via mobile reply

Nelson?

No freakin’ way. Nelson is playing terrible this year. I see him going down hill real quick.quick

Bambooozled - January 28, 2012 via mobile reply

NELSON!!!1!!!11!!!

NOOOOO HE’S A POINT GURAD TYREKE IS OUR POINT GUARD

I am against a trade for Harris specifically

Mainly because I think he’s lost a lot of what made him so great because of injuries, and the fact that what he does is kind of replicated by what the Kings already have.

I do however agree that we need to improve by taking on money in trades, for people already under contract, and I do think that acquiring a point guard will do more good than acquiring another Small Forward (at least of the ones available). That is because we could have Tyreke Evans play Small Forward (I think that’s honestly the team’s best option at this point).

Here are some available prospects to trade for at Point Guard:

Kirk Hinrich – $8.1 million for this year. 31 years old, Career AST% of 27.7%, reputation as a good defender and shooter.
D.J. Augustin – Doesn’t have a big contract yet, but did not get an extension and may be available due to the emergence of Kemba Walker and Gerald Henderson, as well as the fact that Michael Jordan is running the franchise on the cheap and might not want to pay Augustin. Augustin isn’t anything special, with an AST% of 27% for his career, but he’s young. Trading for Augustin means Kings can match contracts for him.
Ramon Sessions – Can and probably will become a Free Agent next year since he has a player option he can exercise, so probably not worth much in a trade if you can’t convince him to stay. He’ll want a starter’s role. He’s a decent passer, and excels at attacking the basket. Not a good shooter.
Andre Miller – Great floor general, but getting up there in age at 36 and probably has no interest in coming to a team without playoff aspirations, considering he’ll be a UFA next year.
Rodney Stuckey – Knight’s progress may make Stuckey expendable, but he’s kind of like a Poor Man’s Tyreke Evans, and we already have the good version.
Goran Dragic – This guy is Beno Redux, will be UFA after this year.
Mo Williams – Kinda superfluous for the Clippers, although he’s doing great as a 6th man. Can shoot and pass.
Luke Ridnour – Wolves have had success playing with Rubio – Ridnour backcourts, but this depends on if they want to go more traditional in their lineup or not.
Jameer Nelson – Has never really recovered from shoulder injury that killed his All-Star year. Might be available if Magic blow it up.
Raymond Felton – Felton will be a FA after this year. He’s in his prime. Good passer and defender, poor shooter.
Tony Parker – San Antonio may opt to blow it up sometime (or not). Parker is an elite Point Guard, locked up for 3 more years. They’ll probably demand a lot in a trade for him.
Jose Calderon – Excellent shooter and passer. Terrible defender.
Devin Harris – (Already talked about)

Augustin would be nice!

Bambooozled - January 28, 2012 via mobile reply

I would LOVE Augustin

Imagine if we had been smart and demanded Augustin in exchange for moving down three spots in the draft…

AUGUSTIN!!!!11!!!

NOOOO HE’S A POINT GUARD TYREKE IS OUR POINT GUARD

The Crown Royal Gentleman - January 28, 2012 reply

I'm a big Hinrich fan,

but I’m not sure whether or not he’ll fit or not. I’d like to think that he would.

I love Augustin, but there are several good options on the list.

Sorry, y’all, everyone’s expendable except DeMarcus. Best not to get too attached, because something has to be done.

andy sims - January 28, 2012 reply

I would tend to agree with this statement

everyone’s expendable except DeMarcus.

Although I think trading Tyreke now would be a mistake, considering his age and relative cheapness, with room to grow.

Evans is not expendable. As mentioned in a thread above (Albenji), Evans is a star quality talent

Trading Evans for anything less than an equal quality potential All-Star (i.e. Curry, Harden) or greater is foolish. Tyreke’s physical attributes and skills are few and far between. He is a kid, 22 years old. He will only get better.The team is losing but Evans is not a loser.

This teams needs a talent upgrade. But they also need frontcourt more than backcourt. Thornton is injured, Thomas and Fredette are rookies. Get DMC some help and Harris has the unfortunate potential to complete the Trifecta with Salmons and Outlaw.As for spending the money to get Harris, The Malindas wouldn’t approve of it anyway.

betweentheeyes - January 28, 2012 reply

I think a legitimate point guard solves half of our front court problems, too.

Chris Paul made Tyson Chandler look like Kareem Abdul-Jabar,

andy sims - January 29, 2012 reply

Ridnour

…is the type of player I feel we need. Can do lots of things pretty well, but doesn’t force the issue at all. Not with his passes, shots, and does not gamble on defense. He came into the league as a terrible defender, and while aging, has learned to play D well enough the stay in the league and on the floor without being a complete detriment.

Cuz, Reke and Thornton could shoot all they want and this guy would continue to spread the ball to each and every one of them as he would not be looking to “get his” while being the guy who could knock down the open three…37% this year, 36% career.

Did I mention he can run the fast break? If Smart has the team headed in that direction, this is a guy who can handle that task. Having a quality 8 year veteran wouldn’t hurt this team any either.

I am more convinced about Ridnour then when I started this comment, hmmmm?

Ridnour/Darko for something involving Thornton/JT (I know can't be done yet plus the money is a little off)

would the Kings dare to even touch something around that idea or just throw up?

I feel like the Wolves would be getting the better player in both cases.

Plus it’s Kahn. If there is one GM Petrie can fleece in the league, it has to be Kahn, right?

Can we send Whiteside and just convince Kahn that he is JT?

See I started the comment and was about to throw Beasley in there

and I just couldn’t do it. I just flat out couldn’t

I just threw up.

Thornton and JT for Rid/Darko?

No thanks

how bout

That trade you said, but include Wes Johnson, let’s face it Wes is an athletic freak who is a sf, they don’t need Forwards. Thornton would be a great fit who would open up their offense, and Wes probably won’t reach Thorntons scoring capabilities. We might have to throw ina 2nd rd pick but fine by me

Chent - January 28, 2012 via mobile reply

Trust me, Wolves fans would rejoice at the notion of adding Wes to that

yeah

Because they have him playing shooting guard and he’s never been much of a shot creator. Plug him in at sf and use his athleticism and I think hell be much better. But, Adelmen is the coach so he knows better than me. I think they just have too many forwards.

Chent - January 28, 2012 via mobile reply

A SF from Syracuse,

who doesn’t rebound well for his position, fancies himself a spot-up 3 point jump shooter, whose athletic prowess teases fans of what he might be able to become if he ever fulfills his potential.

Why do I feel like we already have this guy?

Hes a way better athlete than Donte

And he’s playing out of position, he was a very good rebounder in college and with his length and athleticism I don’t see why he couldn’t be a good rebounder here. Kevin Love gobbles up rebounds like its part of his diet, its hard for him to get rebounds with Love and him being camped at the 3 point line. I think if you have him closer to the basket playing at sf he could be doing a lot better. In college he played sf/pf and he was very good at it, they have him at 2 guard when he wasn’t very much of a shot creater in the first place. Who knows, I just think he’d be a very good fit here.

Chent - January 28, 2012 via mobile reply

If Love is eating those rebounds, they must be low-carb.

I was pretty high on Johnson when he was in the draft. High character guy, very athletic, easy stroke. Just making a funny (I think) comparison between the two.

Could he still work out? Sure. With the right package I wouldn’t be upset to see GP take a shot with him, although I would rather have vets at this point.

I here ya

We need vets so bad, but I do feel we are missing that athleticism at sf. I was high on him too, he’s not panning out the way I thought he would for the Wolves though

Chent - January 28, 2012 via mobile reply

High BB IQ vets

That compliment our team. Not Salmons and OUTLAW..

Chent - January 28, 2012 via mobile reply

Of that list

I think the obvious first choices would be Calderon and Ridnour. While they might be poor defensively, hopefully we can make some strides with team defense that would allow us to hide a weak pg. At this point, we are so easy to score on, I can’t see it being a situation where Calderon makes it worse. We all complained about Beno’s D last year, and we seem worse this year.

MichaelMack - January 28, 2012 reply

How about a trade of Tyreke for derozan Calderon and a 1st round (probably protected)?

mjdgr8 - January 28, 2012 via mobile reply

Glad to see someone using StatsCube

that and popcornmachine are the two I don't hear much about that are kind of fun.

Love PopcornMachine.

Tom Ziller - January 28, 2012 reply

Popcorn machine is great

I’ve been using it to break down the runs in recaps.

Had never heard of it. Thank you!

Don't like Reke at the 3

yet not opposed

The Crown Royal Gentleman - January 28, 2012 reply

Agreed.

I don’t think it’ll work, but it’s at least worth a shot.

I think it might be an interesting move.

It would be interesting to see how many 3’s in the league are quick enough laterally to stop him from driving, and would hopefully free himself up from major ball handling chores to be able to learn how to move well without the ball, and be able to get some open looks. The last seven games he is shooting 27-84, fairly painful.

MichaelMack - January 28, 2012 reply

Primarily, I think Reke would get eaten alive on the defensive end

and given his propensity to drive drive drive it might be even more difficult for him with alot of the small forwards in the league to deal with their length (although feel less opinated on that)

I actually think he's a pretty good defender at the 3.

I don’t have any stats to back that up, I just think his quickness and length helps there. He has the ability and tools to guard three positions effectively.

Ideally you want someone bigger at the three, but we don’t have that guy. For now, our best option is to put Evans at the three until we get someone better.

I think it would be worth a try. Reke might be very good at that position.

I'd trade ya Harris

For Thomas straight up if the salaries matched. Harris has been a big anointment all year long and seems to be trying to change his game to match the teams. Unfortunately it is not working out. Kings are my second fav team so I’m looking forward to tonight’s game!

Supposed to say disappointment, not anointment

Save the anointment

for Jimmer

polotown - January 28, 2012 reply

I loathe Jimmer

Would you say that if he were on the Jazz?

Yes

I despise BYU. I’m so glad that he wasn’t available when we drafted at 12. He made BYU fans even more insufferable than they already are.

U of U fan?

prowseinthehouse - January 28, 2012 reply

Is nobody else tired of playing our guys out of position?

It seems to be causing most of our problems. Why do we suck so hard at our forward positions? Because our small forwards are actually 2-guards and our power forwards are actually small forwards. GP seems to think that just because someone is really good at one position, but is a little big, can play the larger position no problem. I would rather see this team invest in players at a position that naturally play that position.

Exactly This.

imho Tyreke should be at the 2, where he truly excels. We still have nobody who can distribute well except for IT, who as of late can’t shoot. Because of his range and accuracy, I’d love to see Jimmer learn to play PG well, and barring one of Akis’ candidates above, he will probably be our best option going forward.

AND as has been repeatedly mentioned, our most pressing need right now is at the 3. Salmons is terrible, and Greene and Cisco not much better. Honeycutt is at least 2 years away from being able to make a real contribution.

All this means that although Harris is a talented player, unless he can play the 3, he’s just not a good fit for us right now.

sj60615 - January 28, 2012 reply

Confused

you stress how you are not a fan of guys playing out of position, mention how our most pressing need is the 3 and then mention (below) that maybe we should start JJ at SF.

On one hand, certaintly yes it is frustrating to be playing guys out of position but JJ at SF instead of Reke at SF?

JJ at SF

is an insane idea, and I meant it more sarcastically than anything.

He can’t shoot for sh*t (I’m not going to calculate his TS%, you can do it if you like) — Tyreke would be much much better at the 3, but this still doesn’t solve the overall problem, which is that he is demonstrably better as a 2. As a band-aid, we could play Jimmer-MT23-Tyreke for now, but imho this doesn’t really help them play to their strengths.

sj60615 - January 28, 2012 reply

oh okay

sorry I up and fell into the sarchasm then

Here's an interesting idea

Can JJ Hickson play SF?

When Hayes comes back, the DMC-JT-Chuckwagon rotation should cover us in the frontcourt.

sj60615 - January 28, 2012 reply

Reke needs the ball in his hands to be effective

It’s not like he can spread the floor with his shooting. If we play him primarily at SF I’m afraid he won’t be as effective and our offense will suffer unless we have deadeye shooters at PG and SG.

pg17 - January 28, 2012 reply

I think that's kind of the hope though

given Jimmer and Thornton are two of the few players who can hit long range. Although yeah, Reke and Thornton can possibly kill ball movement the hope is that Jimmer or Isaiah will be the primary and keep the ball moving.

Rec ALL the "Scathe"s.

"It's a risk. You'd need to give up an asset to get Harris, and this team's tradeable assets"

Actually, I doubt it. At 9 mil per season, at what Harris is producing, currently, his trade value is a huge negative. Hell, the Jazz might actually need to GIVE us some assets, just to take his contract off their hands. I’d see a straight up Harris for a conditional second round pick working out.

CloudyEyes - January 28, 2012 reply

I would have rather gotten Gilbert Arenas for a $1 bid a year

Would have been a free player that we could have tested for almost nothing and cut without much pain if he failed. I didn’t want him earlier in the year, but I never dreamed we would be this bad. I guess we missed that bus already.

If Gilbert signed here with this team I'd be done as a Kings fan and would not come back until he's gone

Unless we traded for Harris by dumping Salmons, I'd be pretty upset (maybe not done as a fan)

Maybe even Davis at the time, but if we would have thrown a crazy low number then we could have at least tested a player that has been a proven PG at some point in their career. The would have been no risk and could have cut them without much pain.

I’ve never been that impressed with Harris and feel that he is the type of player that could be another Salmons that wll just fail at what we expect of him. He may be an upgrade, but not by much and not at positions where we need him.

That said, I would have only done this if I knew exactly how bad we would be. Maybe it’s desperation, but I’m about at that point with everything thats been happening the past few years.

I want no part in testing Gilbert with this team

at that point might as well sign Iverson and dig up Eddie Griffin’s casket.

In fairness, Iverson would fit in perfect

Another SG in a PG’s body who hates to pass. Lockout? Who needs practice?

Harris for Salmons

Two underperforming people with bad contracts, fills a kind of need for each.

I wish

But there’s underperforming, and there’s burning a crater into the court with your suckage. I don’t think the Kings could trade Salmons for literally anybody in the league.

nbrans - January 28, 2012 reply

Why is it that we always seem to end up with completely untradeable players?

See: 9,K.

Carl - January 28, 2012 reply

Almost every team has at least one. Hence the amnesty clause.

Have a feeling the Jazz might be wise to it

Only the Maloof Petrie combo would accept Salmons n a trade

*in

This would basically undo the Beno - Salmons trade.

Hayes should start

That one is for you Akyis

Carmello's value is low

Knicks are not happy and need to make changes. Carmello I think is overrated as a super star but still can be a very good player. I’d like to see him come and the Knicks would like the cap relief to go after another player that could help them. They can take Salmons to fill the void and another player or two..Greene, JT, Cisco, whoever to make the deal work. I think Melo would be a good fit. He could learn to like it here.

13uppercut - January 28, 2012 reply

I do not believe this is possible at all

but man would I love it. He’d probably be bitter about coming to Sac for a while just like CWebb was but if he could jump in as a leader of the team, take some jump shots and some of the focus away from Tyreke so that he would be more apt to do what he is best at (driving into the lane and half court shots) I would love it.

That being said, again, I don’t believe the Knicks would give him up even if they are doing awful right now. ESPECIALLY if our best player to offer is Salmons

LLcoolRay - January 28, 2012 reply

I would love to see Carmelo come here...

But seeing that he had his hiss fit about where he was going to play, I don’t think Melo would relish the idea of coming here. If Petrie could pull that off, I would take back all the scathing things I have been saying about him.

You're right

Carmelo is way overrated as a superstar. If the Knicks dumped him & went after a Deron Williams in the offseason they would be much improved.

That said I’d take Melo in a pure salary dump. Maybe even for MT23. The Knicks would be
D-Will
MT23
Amare
Tyson Chandler
Throw in a SF & that’s a much better team then right now

As for us
Get a PG at all costs
Reke
Melo
Hayes
Cuz

Not too shabby

Allbenji - January 28, 2012 via mobile reply

That would never happen.

Melo is never going to be a pure salary dump.

We would need a super-distributing, angel of a PG

Shizzo - January 31, 2012 reply

That would be a good idea

Imagine Carmelo getting traded to SACRAMENTO after basically forcing his way to New York, you think other big named player would be that inclined to sign with big markets if this happened? It would be good for the league, it would definately take Tyreke to do it though. A 3 way would work and probably be good for all parites, Melo here, D Will/D Greene 2 New York, Tyreke/JT/Salmons to NJ. NJ should be looking to trade Deron pretty soon with all the talk about him going to Dallas or somewhere else this offseason. They could just trade with each other since Melos locked in for 5 yrs but NJ needs a lot of work with their roster

Chent - January 28, 2012 via mobile reply

we'd still need pieces to add to the roster

But we got a high draft pick coming and will have cap space. It’d probably be better to just keep on building how we are though.

Chent - January 28, 2012 via mobile reply

Haven't we had enough combos and stretch players, How about actually getting a real 3 to play the 3.

Sure, if you think we need a real point guard then do it. But, don’t do it just to move Evans to a position to keep him in the starting lineup.

He doesn’t shot the corner 3 better than the last 5 players we’ve tried, and his jumper off the dribble is worse than Salmons or Garcias. You put him on the wing and you still have someone who doesn’t play above the rim, having to create with only half the court for him to use.

Tyreke is the round peg that doesn’t fit any of our square positions. But, at least he’s a mid range jumper or floater in the lane away from being a very good SG. Of the top SG’s in pts per game, Kobe (#1) and Ellis (#2) don’t shot any better than Evans from 3pt range this season. Kobe’s at 26.9% and Ellis is at 25% and Evans is at 25%.

Thornton isn’t better than Tyreke in anything except 3pt shooting. Evans finishes at the rim better, passes better, gets to the FT line more often and creates more more assists. Tyreke needs to be the SG.

Adding Harris is just adding another shooter like Thornton who isn’t going to make Tyreke better and certainly isn’t going to get him more shots. Fix the biggest problem first, and that is finding a real starting SF, not by picking up a PG and hoping that Tyreke ends up better than the last 3 SG’s we’ve played at the 3.

HighTops - January 28, 2012 reply

Saved me from writing a similar post. Rec'd.