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The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly: 2011-12 Week 5

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What I wouldn't do to have a SF of Gallinari's caliber on this team...

Three games, three losses. It has been a very disappointing week, and the Kings will have to take advantage of a much softer schedule coming up to make up for it.

Star-divide

The Good:

1. DeMarcus Cousins

See Player of the Week

2. Jimmer Fredette's Shooting

Jimmer's shot has finally arrived in the NBA. He's still struggling in other areas of the game (playmaking, defense), but his shooting has been phenomenal. He shot 48.4% from the field and a whopping 64.7% (11-17) from three over this past week. His 3P% is now up to 38% for the year, and it will continue to rise with more consistent shooting performances.

3. Isaiah Thomas Off the Bench

Isaiah might be the best bench player currently on the Kings. For a rookie, that's saying something. When he comes into the game, he's able to bring energy, a scoring punch, and distribution. His defense is still a work in progress, but he has the quickness and mindset to become a pesky defender in time, despite his size. His shooting needs to become consistent as well, although his shot looked very good these past two games.

4. Jason Thompson's Efficiency

Jason is developing a very solid post-game. He does a great job of fighting for position, and has a new go-to hook shot that he can perform with either hand. In fact, he probably doesn't get the ball down low enough for how effective he's been. He took 20 shots in three games this week, and he made 13 of them. He's now shooting 54.8% from the field for the season. His defensive rebounding hasn't been as good though, and that's been a problem. Fortunately for Thompson, Hayes' return from injury should eventually bring JT back to the bench, which strengthens our second unit.

5. Tyreke Evans Against Utah

Tyreke had a phenomenal game against Utah, aggressive and looking like a star. He carried the team all night, and his 31 points were a season-high. His jumper wasn't falling, but nobody could stop him getting to the basket. He also did a great job distributing. This is the Tyreke we want to see night in and night out.

6. Chuck Hayes Return

Hayes returned from his shoulder injury against Utah and played 20 minutes with a shoulder sleeve. He was 0-4 from the field, but his defense and rebounding were solid. Hayes return should bolster both these categories for us, and it will probably eventually lead to the return of JT to the bench, which should help our bench as well.

7. Three Point Shooting

In large part thanks to the return of Jimmer's shot, the Kings have started to shoot very well from three. They've shot 22 of 51 from three this week, or 43.1%, a higher percentage than the Kings have shot from the field this season. Jimmer hit 11 of those, and Isaiah hit 6.

The Bad:

1. Tyreke Evans Against Denver and Portland

These are the type of games that we DON'T want to see from Tyreke. Tyreke is going to see a bunch of minutes every night, so when he doesn't have it going like on these nights, that's a lot of offense the Kings are missing. He's not a good enough distributor to make up for the lack of points, even though he's gotten better, and he usually still tries to score even if it's not working by taking more long jumpers. I'd rather have him attack and try to get fouled instead of resorting to jumpers. He's still not good enough on those.

2. J.J. Hickson's Offensive Game

Does J.J. have to face up every single time he has the ball? He can be within two feet of the rim, and he'll turn around and try to shoot a jumper. He also loves taking long jumpers despite showing no knack for knocking them down, and does not do a good job of setting screens. This trade is looking like a terrible one for the Kings right now.

3. Defensive Rebounding

This is where Hayes can really help. The Kings have been getting killed on the offensive glass lately, thanks to playing a lot of small ball and DeMarcus Cousins being the Kings only really effective rebounder. They gave up offensive rebounding totals of 19, 17 and 15 this week, all more than the Kings themselves grabbed, and two of those totals came against teams that shot better than the Kings, meaning they got more 2nd chances while having less opportunities to get 2nd chances.

The Ugly:

1. Kings Small Forwards

It's almost unfathomable how bad our SFs have been. On most teams, John Salmons would have lost his starting role by now. On the Kings however, our options to replace John Salmons aren't all that great. Garcia might be our best option, but that's not saying much. Personally, I'd opt to start Tyreke at SF along with Jimmer/Isaiah and Marcus in the backcourt when he comes back. It can't be any worse than what we've been trying. Even defensively, the Kings got killed in each week this game by the opposing teams wings (Wallace, Gallinari, Hayward/Miles).

2. Hematoma

Marcus Thornton has a hematoma from his collision with Dwight Howard, and it forced him back to the bench for this week after he had struggled from coming back from the injury too soon. As Tom mentioned, you do NOT want to look up images of hematoma. We do not know when Marcus is set to return, but the original diagnosis was out 1-2 weeks, and we've just finished week one.

3. Blown out by Denver at Home thanks to NINETY TWO POINTS IN THE PAINT

This was the worst game I've ever attended as a Kings fan. The team seemed flat and had no energy, and Denver kept on running and gunning, and the score went up and up. The Nuggets scored a possible NBA record 92 points in the paint, and all but 4 of their field goals came outside of the paint. Denver had almost as many points in the paint as the Kings had total points. This was an embarrassing effort.

Player of the Week:

DeMarcus Cousins

16.3 PPG, .476 FG%, 12.3 RPG, 1.6 APG, 1 STL, 1 BLK

DeMarcus is quickly becoming the Kings most consistent player, and consistency is a thing this team desperately needs. Every night, DeMarcus is a double-double threat, and his efficiency is becoming much better. He's shooting the ball better, and turning it over less. He's also not fouling as much, which means he can stay on the floor longer, as evidenced by his minutes played this week (36.3 MPG).

Image / GIF of the Week:

Just can't get it together

by betweentheeyes on Jan 23, 2012 11:25 PM PST reply actions 11 recs

Comment of the Week:

Nevermind that.

Being a fan of the Sacramento Kings has never been about cheering for a winner. It's about enjoying and showing gratitude for the entire experience, from the highest highs to the lowest lows. It's about defiant, irrational pride. We don't want want Kobe's kind of respect or even Durant's kind of respect, because Sacramento never has and never will be gifted anything, the team nor the city. The respect we want and the respect we have had is the only kind of respect we can get- that of a team, a city, and fans that celebrate our victories with true appreciation and persevere through difficulties with whatever hope we can cling to.

We filled our crappy arena in last year's finale to cheer our crappy team for what seemed would be the very last time. We waved signs, we chanted, we screamed ourselves hoarse, we emptied 26 years of blood from our hearts as our team fought hard, fell behind, heroically charged back, and ultimately fell short. Then we kept right on cheering, the game already lost. We've been given another chance to fill our crappy arena and cheer our crappy team, to wring our hearts of any blood left in there. I hope the guys in black give the fans in the arena good reason to cheer, but the real game being played and the real reason to cheer will have nothing to do with the scoreboard on that night.

by AnotherStupidSN on Jan 27, 2012 12:48 PM PST up reply actions 29 recs

FanPost of the Week:

How Bad Are the Kings Really Doing This Year? by SavageBeast

Highlight of the Week:

Caption Contest:

Link to Last Week's Picture

Last Week's Winner: JulyFishSB

You Know what Time it is....

TYREKE TIME

Last Week's Runner-Up: tonyfrmnatomas

Breaking News: For the first time ever Siamese twins are playing in the NBA. On opposing Teams!!!

This Week's Picture:

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A reminder of the rules for the Caption Contest. Leave your caption in the comments below, and the most rec'd (to recommend a comment, hit action, then rec) caption wins.

This week's caption contest winner gets a hair off of John Salmons chin beard.

Question of the Week:

The Kings desperately need a solution at the Small Forward spot. Here are the options (besides trading for someone):

A) Keep Salmons starting and hope he plays better

B) Start Garcia

C) Start Greene

D) Move Tyreke to the Three

Which option do you choose? I personally am for Option D, when Marcus Thornton comes back. Tyreke can still act as the primary ball handler from the 3, and it might give us better production at the spot. It certainly can't be worse than what we have been trying so far.

And Nostradumbass Prediction for Next Week:

@ Golden State 1/31 W (Kings need to win on the road sometimes, right? Also, it's the Warriors)

v. Portland 2/2 W (Third time's the charm)

v. Golden State 2/4 W (We're just going to dominate this week like there's no tomorrow.)

Nostradumbass Record for the Season: 14-6

2 recs  |  232 comments

Comments

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Hmmm… this shoe’s been in an A$$ kicking contest.

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Leonardo DiCaprio, sketching off-camera: “Now lower your right knee just a little.”

Not a caption and not sure how to put it in a captain

but the ref looks like he’s doing this exercise.

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In his new life as a cameraman, Grizzly Adams rarely anymore gets the thrill of a beast in close proximity.

Cuz is the man, his game is improving rapidly, before Reke knows it, it won't be his team anymore
Kind of hard to say after Tyreke goes for 31-9-6
Who has been the player of the week for the last month?

Hint: Not Tyreke Evans

You may want to look again
Do you know how many times in a year I get up at 8:30 am? I'm not wasting this unusual opportunity by going back and searching out back issues of GB & U
Ah sorry

I thought you were stating something as fact.

It was DMC

Last weeks GBU

Well that's almost a month I suppose
Ha!

Month, not week.

Felt like Salmons for a minute there. Open drive to the lane, and I somehow muff it.
Like Salmons, I’ll just say “My bad!”

LOL - no worries

You just forgot to do a spin move on your way into the lane! I’m sure you would have converted in that case.

You guys love your stats.

Reke did look like a star last night, but he also killed team momentum several times. I’m thrilled that he’s starting to pick up more assists, I would be ecstatic to see him learn a little about the flow of the game and making your teammates better. And yes I know teammates are missing their shots and that doesn’t help.

When he dibbled the ball off his foot at the free throw line, I believe it was the third time in a row he was driving the lane. Everyone in the arena knew what he was doing and defenders collapsed, ball stolen, run over. Like the end of the third quarter when he had the ball slapped back in his face. Those explosions to the rim are a lot of fun to watch. Hey you know what I’d bet he would be a really good small forward!

Several times?

I just rewatched the game and didn’t see it. There were a few times he went back to his old habits, but overall he was excellent, and was the main reason the team had a chance to beat a good team on the road.

Just say “props” and wait a game or two. I’m sure you’ll find some issues to harp on.

Yes. Several times like four or five at least.

God forbid I “harp on” issues on a team that constantly loses games, even ones that are in their grasp. They must be doing things right! Gee we lost another close game but look at that ESPN highlight dunk it’s all good. Lack of talent is one thing, one-on-one basketball year after year is getting harder and harder to watch.

You don't sound like a Kings' fan.

Blknblu, is that Timberwolves?

Yeah you're right if I don't like one-on-one basketball I shouldn't be a Kings fan.

I can root for a losing team. And I wanted the Kings to draft Tyreke and I am a fan of the young man. And he has improved a little bit as his assists show. And maybe someday Jimmer will be a good point guard. But to continue with this experiment is just stupid. Now “nobody want to come here” is the new “we have to get the bad contract off the books.” Somehow Petrie could have brought in a vet point guard. Or drafted Walker or Knight. This is just dumb and hard to watch.

Because Knight has an amazing assist to turnover ratio.

And Walker is known as a pure point guard…no.

Hey, you can do whatever you like

I just didn’t see the same things you saw.

I am in the middle on this one Otis

Reke did have a spectacular game, but there were some rough patches as well. And one great game, doesn’t change the fact that over last seven games he average 11ppg and shot 27-84. Tyreke’s play for the most part has concerned me this season, spectacular game not withstanding.

I think it's the overall development of Reke's game that impresses me

Tyreke is a guy whose game is being wholly redeveloped (at the ripe old age of 22), and I see the glimpses of what he can be. He still desperately needs to improve that jump shot and his left hand though, if he wants to be a dominant lead guard in the league.

I don’t expect the process to always be pretty, but I accept that it is indeed a process.

On this we agree, and he does have 5 yrs before he reaches his prime to do it.
The Tyreke hate is getting so tired

It seems like it will never end. Is it just bitter Rubio lovers? Where does all the hate come from? I just don’t get it.

Can he do some things better? Of course. I could also say that about 99% of the players in the league. Even when he has a great game he gets nitpicked.

So, because he has a great game

He is absolved over the last seven?

Even over the last 7 his rebounding and assists were up

And I am pretty sure his spectacular Spurs game was also recent. So 2 of his last 5 games he’s been spectacular. And in the others he’s still getting rebounds and assists.

His shooting has been off, but this is largely due to him taking increased jumpers playing within the offense. It’s a clear sign he needs to work on his jump shot, but then again, we already knew that.

I guess I am just much more concerned about Tyreke's game

And I think PW did nothing to enhance it. I hope Smart can make the Tyreke the player we hope him to be. If you look at his game by game stats, he is not a consistent player. Even on the court, he seems to have times he dominates, and other times he seems almost oblivious.

That's true of a lot of young players. Especially without the jumper.

Look, I wish I could guarantee that Evans would become a superstar. Clearly I can’t. But he has the tools. And I too am hoping Smart is a better mentor to him than PW.

Well, then we agree

but a lot of young players are not being built around, and I think the Kings have invested A LOT in Tyreke, from having PW (in my opinion) coddle him, to disposing of players who questioned the coaching and direction of the team (Martin, Hawes, Casspi, Dalambert). I don’t think it is dramatic to say the near and far future heavily depends upon Tyreke raising his game to All Star level.

Agree it does.

Although, I don’t think we got rid of all those players for Evans. Martin I think we did. Some of the others either weren’t that good or didn’t vibe with PW. The only one we arguably got rid of in favor of Evans was Martin. And while he’s a good player, you certainly don’t want to build a franchise around him.

I see what you are saying

But I think PW giving a rookie free reign was a major part of why those other three did not vibe with the Coach, and the FO chose to keep Evans happy over everyone else, thus my thoughts on him being such a major investment.

I think you are reading too much into it

I think they wanted to market around Evans and put the ball in his hands more.

I think we have very little talent his rookie season, so we didn’t have a lot of other options (especially given PW’s inability to construct a complex offense once we had more players).

I haven’t seen Evans bristle at playing a role so far under Smart. And there was nothing I saw under PW that told me Evans was unwilling to play another style. So I don’t think it’s fair to say it was about keeping him happy.

I understand this might all be in my head

but, Evans wouldn’t bristle if he was being catered to.

I also don’t think it is in his personality to need to be catered to, which is why I think PW and the FO did a disservice to him in his rookie year.

He's had 2 terrific games out of his last 8...

…but my problem is that when he’s not on his A+ game, he’s usually at about a D or an F. If you take out the Utah and San Antonio games, Tyreke has averaged 9.0 ppg on 26.2% FG, 3.7 FTA, 4.3 rebounds, 5.8 assists, and 3.2 turnovers a game. His TS%? 36.2%.

I understand we can expect Tyreke to have his ups and his lows. As of late, though, we’ve been seeing a lot of some really wretched lows, not nearly enough highs, and essentially nothing in between.

Wow he had the best game he'll have all year

And we lost

What's your point?
He's not Lebron.

I think that’s his point.

It's never been reeks team
I haven't been able to watch several of the past games

Os Honeycutt really that bad that he doesn’t get an extended look to see if he might be better than the shit show that is our SF’s?

Is*

I think he needs gym/maturation time

Unlike fellow rookies Thomas and Fredette, Honeycutt would be called upon to cover the likes of G.Wallace, Durant, Granger, Gay, etc. Last I saw of him, he looked like a guy that had a nice feel for the game but was in dire need of NBA strength.

Thanks

I suppose it would be rough to throw him to the wolves like that.

Caption:

Ref: ‘Hey Tyreke, check out what I’ve been working on during the lockout. I call this drop “the broken ankles!”

Tyreke: " Sweet man, can I borrow your cheat sheet to learn some bboying moves?"

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“Trick or treat, smell my feet, give me something good to eat!”

Referee’s are so childish sometimes.

(For the record, this had better not be a home game. If I see Reke diving for a ball like that right in front of me, I sure as hell wouldn’t be sitting there with my hands in my lap!)

Caption:

The NBA, where losing one’s balls is a nightly event.

Why is this not green?

You guys with your obsession over your balls. I thought you would be all over this.

you ball blocked yourself

and come to think of it – I will submit this as my suggested caption.

What do you mean by ball blocked?
I don't know, but he made a joke involving balls, so I have to rec it
I looked it up.

It means being kept from playing on the basketball court.

Okay, I get it. I’m not welcome here. If that’s the way you guys feel, then I don’t want to continue where I’m not welcome.

Oy vay

Slam – your comments are welcome as well as your disdain for my comments. If I have offended you, I humbly ask for your forgiveness, it was not my intention.

You baited the line with your comment about ball obsession. I went with the bait hook, line and sinker.

Btte,

I accept your sincere apology.

I didn’t even know what the term, “ball blocked” meant. You succinctly expressed what I had been feeling, answering my question of, “Why?”

I don’t believe when you posted it, you had any idea of the effect it would have on me. In a discerning manner you encompassed the situation of being left out of the game. It was an honest answer, one I was somewhat unprepared for.

It hurt. I immediately got the image of a young boy standing by the sidelines, wanting to get into the game, but being left out of it by the other guys on the court, who wouldn’t let him in to play. I had strong feelings of being excluded.

Yeah Slam, you make great contributions here

Everyone gets mocked at some point in this forum. Happens to the mods, the posters and the noobs.

The constant humor is one of the many great qualities that separates STR from the otehr sites.

I think it was more a reference to the fact you asked for rec's

often times people don’t rec when they see someone asking for them.

That’s why the secret is to just add a Doug Christie punching Rick Fox gif.

Caption:

Ref: “Tyreke, draw me like one of your French girls…”

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Kings Center DeMarcus Cousins faints as one of that evening’s referees inexplicably demonstrates the new “party trick” he learned in Bangkok. Time-traveling-prospector pretending to be a cameraman exclaims, “THAT’S GOLD!!! GOOOOLLLD I TELLS YA!”

Wow....just wow.

It’s like a “Family Guy” clip.

Caption:

Ref: “Ah man, I think I stepped in something that fell out of Chris Anderson’s mouth. Get if off Tyreke!! GET IT OFFFFFFF!”

Tyreke: “Yup, sure did. You’d better have that looked at.”

Caption:

’Yo Ref, Lift up your foot real quick, I think I saw a quarter"

After our bench was scoreless minus Isaiah going into the 3rd,

I really did expect to see Honeycutt getting some burn. Like everyone has said before on here, he couldn’t have played any worse than the rest of our SFs and deep down I really felt that his length, youth, and hustle could’ve given Hayward some trouble.

I wasn't surprise. We had a good shot at winning the game last night.

Doubt Smart wanted to risk putting Honeycutt in. I see your point, though,with the bench being scoreless, but Honeycutt just got called back from the D-league.

D) Move Tyreke to the Three

Tyreke can easily be a point forward.

Like Iguodala?
I think we need to try this
This idea is growing on me

Particulrly if Reke still has the ball as the point forward. Put your best 5 guys on the floor, I don’t care what position they’re called.

I think the only long term option for the SF spot is a trade.

Or wait untill this summer for a FA. But since Aykis elliminated that option, I’d leave Salmons as the starter, but play as much small ball as possible with IT, Jimmer, Thorton, and Reke.

I really hope Petrie is doing some shopping right now. JT or JJ are the guys I’d expect to be moved if something happened.

Option D) Try Tyreke at the 3

Why wait until MT comes back? Do it now.

Short term answer

But probably gives us the best chance to win now.

Short-term to solve the Salmons problem.

but Reke may turn out to suited for the position over the long-term.

PS.

WHY DOESN’T TYREKE DUNK MORE?!?!? When he gets a full head of steam running, he moves like a jaguar… so fast and powerful. I almost J O’d after that dunk.

Jacked off?
you know it
Were you that guy sitting behind Jimmer?
He needs a big running start usually

before he does crazy dunks like that.

Caption contest: "Yeah, that is right. Check out that Jimmer!"
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Camera Man: “Oh, wow, man! I should not have burned one during player introductions.”

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Ref: “…And see, the weight of the ball on my lower legs actually makes kegels more efficient.”

Caption:

Tyreke: “Crikey… take a look at this, mates! ‘Tis the largest snake I’ve EVA laid eyes on. A real beaut, in’t she? This specimen in particular is notoriously hostile, and I tell ya wot – this one is grumpy! Their assaults are highly malign and will leave an extremely scathing wound. You shouldn’t horse around with these things as they are quite dangerous. Let’s see wot ’appens when you throw a ball into its ass!”

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Acting as a ref during the WWE halftime show (NBA Ref VS NBA bal), Tyreke prepares to count out the Ref 1….2…
Camera man: Wait his shoulder is not down!!!!!

Sign Wilson Chandler next month!

Tyreke – Push! Push! Push! aww you pushed through the wrong hole

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fans were treated to halftime filming of "The NBA Kama Sutra as told by Gabby Hayes "

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Tyreke: I know I smell Purps somewhere around here

Camera guy: Dude Its Train wreck, Uh err I mean dude its his not mine, dude, do i look like a weed smoker? come on.

Can we end the Tyreke to the 3 movement?

Its just doesn’t matter.
At the end of games It will be Reke Thornton and Jimmer or IT. Call them whatever freaking positions you want.

It does matter

if at the end of the game you are down by 20…

Something needs to happen at the SF position. At this point, you’re better of at trying Tyreke at the 3, or even give Donte 10 starts and an extended period to prove himself. Hell, maybe coming off the bench and playing against the scrubs will help Salmons to get back on track again. But not doing anything about the 3 spot is simply not an option, IMO. For crying out loud, I’m starting to pine for the days that PW gave JT minutes at the SF spot….

I think both of those are good options

Having Green get some time, or having Reke play there (which is my preference). I worry about what coming off the bench will do to Salmons though. We do not need another K9 situation.

I agree with this...

Starting Tyreke at the SF is only a short fix. He is playing the position in the 4th anyways, but I think playing him there all game will wear him out too much.

Whatever happens at the ‘3’ I think Salmons needs to go to the bench for a couple games at the very least. Give Donte or Cisco a couple starts and see what happens.

Can we at least call it what it is you guys are asking?

a 3 guard lineup?

That's what it is

People get stuck thinking about SF. Salmons isn’t a true SF either. We don’t really even have a true SF on the roster although Greene and Outlaw are probably closest.

Can we have an E choice for question of the week?

E) Give Honeycutt some burn because our other guys have been awful and he’s at least an unknown (vs. a known- garbage)

Answer to question

E) Have Coach Smart consult with Francisco Garcia, aka The Salmons Whisperer, as to who will rise the hot hand on a given evening.

This was an effective strategy in our biggest win of the year vs. the Spurs.

Caption contest

Watch as he stalks his prey…

Caption:

Pigpen: Im gonna need a bucket, a paint brush, and ten pounds of salt. Lance, get his pants.

Nice

That doesn’t get referenced very often

Caption

Tyreke’s testing his next shoe idea, scratch and sniff.

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Does the ping pong trick really count as an inbound pass?

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Hey Ref! What’s that smell? I think you might have stepped in…yup, it’s dog shit!

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Chuck Manson : “I hope this doesn’t blow my cover”

IT or Jimmer at the point

Kings outscored the Jazz badly with IT at the point and the ball out of Evan’s hands. Tyreke will score and rebound just as much at the 2 or 3 but with IT or Jimmer at the point other players will have the chance to contribute. I’d alternate Jimmer and IT at the point the entire game and see if the team responds. Evans is clearly the Kings best player the way LeBron is in Miami but Miami is better when a point guard who can pass improves the offense. I think Evans will do just as well and the balance of the team will improve. I like IT off the bench for his spark ability and change of pace and Jimmer as starter because I feel he has a higher ceiling. If Evans takes minutes away from Salmons at the 3 I’m all for it. I didn;t realize how ineffective and downright lazy Salmons was until I watched last night’s game.

Man, you really don't like Evans, but your statement isn't even true

Isiah hit 3 threes while playing off ball. He also created two shots for himself. And he had 0 assists. Thomas played well yesterday, but if your solution is to stick Evans off ball while letting a rookie run the show based on a game without a single assist from him. That’s a pretty dicey decision.

Evans

I said he was clearly their best player, how’s that hating on him.

Yes, he's not hating on Evans.

I agree with you BH. Reke is great, but his issues come with him having to handle the ball too much. Kings need a PG, and IT is just that (for now).

Well, I may have read it the wrong way

Frankly, I don’t care what position Evans plays. His usage will be the same. Once we get into the halfcourt, the offense will run this Cousins and him. Doesn’t matter to me who dribbles the ball up the court.

This is so far from being the truth

The Kings offense hummed with Tyreke at the point, all the way up to when he came out of the game the first time. That’s when things took an ugly turn in the 2nd quarter.

The best (only) point guard on the floor last night for the Kings was Evans – an assist every 4-5 minutes of game time. Meanwhile, Fredette had 1 in 31 minutes, and Thomas had 0(!) assists.

Fredette looked like a potential backcourt partner for ‘Reke at the start of last night’s game, and Thomas can effectively share the backcourt with Evans as well. But neither one of them is currently in the same zip code as Evans when it comes to being an NBA lead guard. Evans may have his flaws, but he is light years ahead of anyone else on the roster when it comes to running an offense and, yes, making his teammates better.

THANK YOU!!!!!

How in the world do people disregard the obvious sometimes? I keep hearing that they need IT or Jimmer as they “actually pass the ball and distribute” when like it or not Tyreke actually has as many assists as anyone (total and per 48). He also is the most efficient scorer thus far out of the bunch (Jimmer get to the line once or twice please!) I think it is clear as day who the best PG is at this time on this team.

I think the fact that they lack a quality SF is making people hate on Tyreke’s ability to play the point but lets look at the options. Even if you pull him right now and make him a 3 you still have to put in another guard (Jimmer or IT) which will (in my opinion) lower the defense and rebounding considerably. You are picking your poison at this point.

But back on topic, 214 is dead on there is NO WAY anyone can possibly argue that Tyreke is not the best facilitator on this team for now, especially if judging base solely on last night’s game.

I still think Reke and the Kings eventually need a PG to thrive, but perhaps overboard by me to think IT is that.

Obviously, Reke is the best option at the moment at running the show. Perhaps IT can run the show effectively for a bit and see what he’s got.

Ultimately, as I’ve stated, Reke is a badass, but should not be forced to play the PG all the time. I think the team will run more effectively if and when the Kings get a PG alongside Reke.

Caption

Ref – “What’s on my shoe? It’s rancid”
Reke – “You stepped in our small forward spot”

Start Garcia (blech)

To me it’s the least terrible option. Tyreke is finally making good progress at the point guard position, and now everyone wants to take him away from that and play another player out of position?

Reke - and thanks for the GBU Aykis......

Reke at the 3 may be OK for now, and though I’ve thought Reke trade for a PG of equal talent is acceptable, I’m back to thinking that most of Reke’s issues can be helped by this team getting a PG.

Reke was an absolute beast, and can be, but it’s his decision making that seems to be the real problem (and shot). Reke makes good and bad decisions, and will continue to do so. All he needs is a bit less time with the ball in his hands, so he doesn’t have to make so many decisions. Get a PG (eventually) and Reke’s problems start to dissipate. .

Tyreke needs to stay exactly where he's at

And I’d probably start Garcia as well. He is the most willing passer out of the bunch and still plays good defense.

If he stays at pg why did the Kings draft Jimmer and IT.

Because usually teams like to have both starters and a bench
They drafted Jimmer and IT to run the show, but Reke is better at it, for now.

I highly doubt Jimmer will be the PG they need. Petrie really did terribly this off season by not acquiring a PG or SF.

Jimmer could get there

Evans will be our main backcourt weapon, so we don’t need a true PG. But if Jimmer can shoot and pass, he’ll fit nicely with Evans and Cousins.

Agree that Petrie should have picked up a veteran PG. Someone cheap who could come off the bench and settle the team down. Jimmer may get there, but that’s a lot to put on a rookie.

SF stinks. Petrie at least tried to address that. Was not a good offseason for SFs in general. I will say that I am shocked by Salmons terrible level of play. He’s not that old and has been fairly consistent. A lot of people who disliked the trade were concerned he would pound the ball too much. But even most of them could see him giving us better D and shooting. And he’s just been awful.

Kings do need a true PG, and Salmons is horrible....

Having Reke run the O would be equivalent to letting Wade or Kobe do the same. It’s not about dribbling the ball up, it’s about decisions a PG makes, vrs. a scorer. Wade and Kobe (and Reke) are obviously great players, but they need fascilitators or their style of play will ultimately hold back the team.

And Salmons’ is terrible. His lack of effort is really astonishing.

Those comments are on the money. As long as the team is really going nowhere this year why not try Jimmer at the PG and let him develop. What’s the difference winning 20 or 25 games if a long term solition is possible. Otherwise why the hell did they dratf Jimmer at 10.

Yeah point forward or whatever Reke has to have the ball a lot

And Reke was awesome against the Spurs when he let the game come to him. But I have to think Reke would be even better with a veteran point guard/combo guard helping the team to function. Maybe in the meantime the Kings can play more games like the San Antonio game. Props to JT on another great game also.

This is even more confusing

Kobe’s PG’s – Derek Fisher, Ron Harper, Brian Shaw, Smush Parker

Wade’s PGs – Jason Williams, Mario Chalmers, Norris Cole, Chris Quinn

None of those players were running the offense. They dribbled the ball up and initiated the offense then hit open shots. Those teams actually ran an offense, so like we are getting with Smart it wasn’t a constant 1 four flat or P&R with no off ball movement. But neither Kobe nor Wade had a true PG running the show while they played off ball. The offense revolved around and depended on those two. And both of them were score first players who were also good facilitators.

Those are so/so PGs, but true PGs

All the PGs you listed are true PGs (except maybe Shaw). And Harper didn’t ever really run the show…… Point is, those PGs, and any PG, brings the ball up and they do run the offense. The call the play, get guys in place and start the ball rolling. Wade and Kobe are not forced to play the PG/run the O all the time (or most), and that’s all I’m saying about Reke. He eventually needs a PG to help.

Or think of AI. Needed a PG to really go far with his team. That’s the case. In order for the Kings to become good, they will need to get a PG. Until then, I agree, Reke is the best option.

Well, we don't disagree on that

I am fine bringing in someone to dribble the ball up the court and initiate the play.

I think Jimmer can develop into that player too, which is why I would be hesitant to spend a lot of money on someone like DJ Augustine at the moment (we’ll see how Jimmer progresses this season).

But there’s a huge gulf between calling for a Derek Fisher to play next to Evans and trading for a Raymond Felton, Andre Miller or Jose Calderon.

Question

By that argument, then, you are saying that Evans is the equivalent of Wade and Kobe, is that correct?

Not that he is at the same level they developed over their careers

But a similar type of player. He may never reach their level (Kobe’s in particular), but you utilize him the same way.

To be clear, we are talking about styles of players, not saying that you could trade Evans to the Heat for Wade and they would produce the same outcome on the game.

total sidenote

but dear lord Wade was an athletic freak when he came into the league

Still remember his rookie year when he was

playing with Odom, Jones and Butler, but you could really see the potential there. He would carry that team for stretches.

Well I ask

because I wonder if the front office thinks that he is DWade-lite. I don’t think he is, but I am not an NBA General Manager either. I just worry that we are building an entire team around a very good player rather than a great one.

well you are in luck because I am in fact Jeff Petrie

all kidding aside, this cheesy ass youtube mix of Wade will NEVER get old (yeah the guy is a big Vince Carter fan so gotta put up with the beginning)

awesome.

thanks for that Wally.

Now, at the risk of being flamed, I watch that and I do not see Tyreke near that type of player.

While that may sound like some damnation of Tyreke, it really isn’t. We just need to be realistic about the talent we have.

Maybe there's some confusion

I don’t think those of us who “support” Tyreke are confused enough to see him potentially as a Wade or a Kobe.

I think he can be very, very good – and this team needs much more of that.

Well, we will see.

Hopefully either Evans or Cousins can become great. Both have the potential. The problem is the players out there who are “sure things” aren’t signing here and aren’t coming back if we trade Evans or Cousins.

It’s the plight of the small market team in the NBA. In other sports you can make up for lack of top-end quality with a quantity of very good players a bit more easily. In the NBA, you have to roll the dice.

I really see

Tyreke being more of a Steve Francis type than Kobe. Because he was so flaky in the latter part of his career, I think people forget how effective Steve was in his first few years.

Yeah part of me worries about Tyreke like that

Seems lately like Tyreke will have 1 good game and then two bad ones. Tyreke seems like he might be the type of player who never actually gets any better, or perhaps like Steve Francis, could actually get worse. Hope not though.

Well, that remains to be seen

But it was injuries that really derailed Francis later in his career. He relied on speed. I don’t see Evans as the same type of player. Though he certainly could fall short of where we need him to be.

But there are enough positives to give him more time. I certainly don’t want to stunt his development or trade him for .50 on the dollar like many of the proposals in the AT Thread.

I see Tyreke as being a big ass Tony Parker right now

Parker always has a real niche of getting to the hole when he was younger, but had no jumper whatsoever.

Very true. He became much more effective once he had one

Fortunately jumpers usually improve with age.

They are building around him and DeMarcus

I don’t think you’re going in the wrong direction by developing around two young guys, one in the frontcourt and one in the backcourt, who have a ton of potential on both the offensive and defensive end.

You still see it at times
IT was the 60th pick in the draft

So most likely they were taking the guy who they thought had the most talent at that point. Plus, he was a PG in college for about as long as Tyreke.

I think the hope with Jimmer is that his outside shooting would stretch the defense out.

If the team wanted to move Evans out for a “traditional” PG, I don’t think selecting Jimmer and Isaiah was the way to go about it.

Good points, and I agree. Perhaps they addressed PG in draft a touch, but they needed to get a PG via FA or trade.

Terrible by Petrie

I'm biased but I think IT has a high ceiling

The only knock ever about him is height. If he was 6’ 4" he’d have been a top 15 pick.

I get what your saying BUT...

I dont think that’s the only knock about him. Right now his shooting percentage and rate are a bit of a knock as far as I am concerned. Obviously still young and time to improve but lets not forget the guys was a 42/70% shooter in college and a 2/1 a/to guy so he hasnt exactly proved TOO much yet either. Lets let him develop into what we hope before we make him out to be more than he ever was. People need to be patient with both him and Jimmer, neither have ever been the player fans are wanting them to be (the super efficient facilitator.)

Yes, but again part of the shooting problems

is trying to shoot over a guy who’s at least half a foot taller than you are.

Jimmer is also a bit undersized

and both had been struggling shooting but are better now. They’re guys that need their offense to get them good looks because they can’t shoot over people. Good offense is, I think, something every fan would agree the Kings lack right now. But it is getting better.

Which is why I would question his decision making as well

Driving a packed lane and going for dunks at 5’8" or whatever is not exactly going high percentage. Taking shots you are struggling to get off because of your size is not desirable. He needs to manage better. I love his tenacity, love his approach, BUT I think he needs to learn better control. He could develop into a nice bench PG (for a team with solid guards only needing 15 minutes a game or so.) But I think he has to learn to play within himself a bit more still of course.

Ha. Well if I was 7'3'', I would have been a top 15 pick!
And if you would have promised a GM you were going to be great, maybee even #1!!

I could grow a wicked 'stache too if I wanted. Hmmm.....
A stache might even seal the deal for a major sponsor!

I'm probably much closer to this

They drafted IT because he was the most talented player available at #60.

They drafted Jimmer, because he’s Jimmer, and GP is still trying to prove that Quincy Douby wasn’t a mistake. That if you have a great shooter, you can make him into a decent PG. Especially when your shooting guard, is your perpetrator/disher, so you don’t need a PG who penetrates to draw double teams, to get open shots for your set shooters.

The Ghost of Doug Christie has cursed us all
Caption

Keith Smart could only feel helpless as he watched the ref butt-dribble past Salmons, through our defense and score two more points in the paint. The next day Geoff Petrie signed him and he was immediately our best SF.

Caption

Cameraman: I didnt sign up for no kinky NBA porn

Caption

Bill Walton’s cousin describes his first night on the job as King’s court-side camera man as, “trippy”.

Anyone else watching this Heat Bulls game by any chance?

don’t even need to know these teams and their history or record or anything and it’s entertaining as hell still

Top Talent dog fighting = Basketball pleasure
Watching it. Enjoying it.

Having LBJ on your fantasy team makes it pretty sweet ;D.

yeah did an auction league this year

didn’t have the balls to bid $89 plus for him. On one hand wish I did. On the other hand, I love my team so it’s alright

Who did you end up getting?
Damn you all I wrote two fanposts about it! (kidding)

Here’s the draft recap and here’s my team now (Kissing Cousins). Trades will do a body good.

Oh, I saw those.

yeah did an auction league this year didn’t have the balls to bid $89 plus for him

This sounded so distant from the forum, I thought you were in another league with non-STR friends.

Spectacular game, i thought.
Derrick Rose made some truly amazing plays

and then choked the free throws…

Crazy ending to Bulls-Heat
inadvertent whistle

wow

Yeah that was embarrassing for the NBA.
Mavs game

Went to the wire too.

Stinky old fish must go.

The Kings are better without him.

Wow, big mistake....huge

I looked up images for hematoma, DONT DO IT!!

Why? It's just doctor talk for "bruise."
Beauty of a game on now

Clips v. Nuggets

Yeah Clips win, which is good

I don’t want the Lakers to win the division.

Let's just somehow swindle Dallas into trading Odom for Salmons.
Caption

Cuz:" Right foot on green".
Ref: “You can´t be serious!”

Yay I won

Ahahahaha

Jimmer blew that last shot at Utah...wait a minute.

http://static.deseretnews.com/images/article/midres/744486/744486.jpg

That’s effed up that there wasn’t a call. Never seen Jimmer short arm a shot that bad. Now it makes sense.

Oh, on second look that shot went long, ah well. Still shoulda got some 'throws
Start Cisco at the SF

with Reke and MT. Not an optimal solution, but at least he isn’t a ball hog.

Why not have Cisco call the play and set up Reke, MT and DMC?

Aykis, a suggestion (or two)

after wins in the dancing gif threads 49er has a long tradition of putting up Rick Flair “WOOOOOO!” gifs.

When you do a recap of a blowout loss and struggling for ideas, here are two suggestions.

Let's just stay with the 'hot women' gifs, makes me forget about losing for a while
ah but Aykis usually does pics or vids for his recaps, the gifs are in the comment section

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