A lot of credit should go to the Warriors, particularly the Warriors bench, for winning them this game. Their energy and hustle drove their team to victory. Nate Robinson (11 points, 5 assists) got it started, while Brandon Rush (20 points, 4-5 from three) and Ekpe Udoh (6 points, 5 boards, 4 blocks) were huge contributors with their offense and defense respectively.
But it was the Kings that lost this game through their sloppy play all game. The Kings racked up a season-high 21 turnovers, and the Warriors capitalized on those mistakes. The worst part about those turnovers is that a lot of them were unforced errors, mental mistakes or just bad decisions. DeMarcus Cousins (4) and Tyreke Evans (5) were responsible for the majority of them.
Then there are the mistakes and bad decisions that don't show up in the box score as turnovers. The ill-advised shots, the passing up of an open shot in order to take a more difficult one after some dribbling. Those are the type of mistakes that kill the Kings. It's what leads to stretches like in the 4th quarter when the Kings didn't score until the 6:43 mark, and by that time, all the momentum was going the Warriors way and despite the sincerest efforts of Isaiah "Cold Blooded" Thomas, the Kings couldn't come back.
Tyreke had a near triple-double with a game-high 22 points (14 of which came in the 2nd quarter alone), 10 rebounds, 9 assists, and 3 steals. DeMarcus Cousins also posted a good stat line with another double-double of 21 points (12 of which came in the 1st quarter) and 14 rebounds. Neither player had nearly as big of an impact in the second half as they did in the first.
The Kings did some really good things in this game. For one, the defense on Monta Ellis and Stephen Curry was superb. Ellis was held to 12 points on 5-17 shooting, and Curry had just 3 points on 7 shots. Credit for that goes to the defensive effort of Tyreke Evans, John Salmons and Isaiah Thomas. If you had asked me before the game that those two would combine for just 14 points on 24 shots, I would have thought the Kings would have won this game easily.
The gameplan didn't seem to translate very well to the Warriors bench however. Nate Robinson came in and started hitting some shots in the 3rd quarter, which started the ball rolling for the Warriors to begin to take over this game. Then Brandon Rush went on a rampage in the 4th quarter, with 15 of his points in the period and most of the Warriors starters on the bench for the duration. Ekpe Udoh and Dominic McGuire also combined to do a terrific job of guarding the paint for Golden State. Earlier in the game, Jason Thompson (13 points and 11 rebounds) and DeMarcus Cousins had both been destroying David Lee and Andris Biedrins on post-ups (Cousins had a dream shake sequence that got me off my couch). Udoh and McGuire put a stop to that. The Kings couldn't get anything going inside late, and when they did manage to get the ball in, there was Udoh altering or blocking the shot.
The Warriors bench took a 68-67 deficit going into the fourth and got it to 83-72 halfway through the quarter. A few minutes later and the lead grew to 88-76 with 3:28 left. This is where Isaiah Thomas comes in. Isaiah went on to score all 11 of his points in the final 2:45 seconds, including 3 three pointers, the prettiest of which was a high arcing fadeaway that just missed being blocked with 2.8 seconds left to cut the lead to one.
Unfortunately for the Kings, they were out of timeouts, and as such had to run up the entire length of the court with just 2.2 seconds left after Brandon Rush made both of his Free Throws. The team got the ball into the right person's hand, but Tyreke's halfcourt heave was off-target.
All in all, this was a game the Kings should have won. The Warriors star players were stopped pretty effectively, and the Kings dominated the glass (53 to 38). The Kings also had 19 attempts at the line to just 13 for Golden State. Sacramento also shot 42.7% to the Warriors 40.7%. But sloppy play and better effort by the Warriors down the stretch translated into a Warriors victory.
The Kings have now lost 5 games in a row, but are entering a softer part of the schedule that they should hopefully take advantage of. Portland comes into town on Thursday and that game could possibly see the return of Marcus Thornton to the lineup.
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HarveySpecter - January 31, 2012
Shaq when he watches the Kings play
kyleramos - January 31, 2012
How I felt watching the Kings game tonight
Me in the 1st quarter
Me in the 2nd quarter
Me toward the end of the 3rd quarter
Me in the 4th quarter
elSAVinator - January 31, 2012
Ah yes, the desk flip
Also referred to as the “Billy Beane”
darooster - January 31, 2012
Lmfao, that is a brilliant comment, exactly how I felt.
CousinsEvansDUO - January 31, 2012
Is it just me
Or is Tyreke trying too hard to be the superstar down the stretch? I understand the growing pains and learning curve that comes with good and bad experiences. But honestly, why the hell is he taking a contested layup leaking away from the bucket when the clear play was to find JT under the hoop for a wide open dunk?
And it’s also evident in the final few minutes that Reke starts to develop a case of the ‘Slippery Salmons,’ where the ball births and dies in his hand on almost every possession. The ball movement that makes the offense so fluid in the first through mid second quarter completely goes away.
And for my money, I’d much rather start seeing the team go to Cuz down low in late game situations. Keep feeding him and let him learn like Reke hasn’t. The dream shake was the prettiest move I’ve seen in a Kings uni since Kayte Christenson in the post game show with Koz and Fat.
diehardkingsfan5 - January 31, 2012 via mobile
Well when there is barely any time you really don’t look to pass and also you just described Thornton who tries way too hard to be the hero
2002HauntsME4ever - January 31, 2012 via mobile
Somewhat - I think he is still learning how to balance it
Last season, I agree, he would take every final shot. Part of this was on him. Part of this was PWs offense where everyone stood still while Evans drove from the top of the key.
However, he seems to be learning.
Last game against the Jazz, he drove and dished it to Cousins who simply mishandled the pass.
This game he had one layup attempt that I thought he forced late. The three he took wasn’t great, but the clock was a factor. We needed a a three and to foul and time was running low. Ideally we would have gotten a better shot, but where Evans caught it there wasn’t room. Then on the next play, he drove and dished it to IT for a three pointer.
I think the bigger issue is the team needs to keep running their offense. Look at a team like the Spurs. They are vets and when another team goes on a run or at the end of the game, they keep running their system and getting good shots. We have a tendency to play well and run Smart’s system in stretches, but when the other team goes on a run or towards the end of games, we devolve into chaos. This is a problem a lot of young teams face and the Kings will need to learn to weather the runs and keep running good plays. That’s how basketball games go, it is a game of runs and the key is not to panic and let the team pull too far away.
SPTSJUNKIE - February 1, 2012
well said
Shizzo - February 2, 2012
That play didn't bother me
Especially after I watched the replay. That was actually an easy layup, after cutting through the defenders…he just missed it.
otis29 - February 1, 2012
As easy as it was
The easIER play was the simple dump off to JT, especially after doing a great job of driving and drawing both defenders his way.
I guess my only qualm is the decision making, which has been a problem for everyone all season. Lebron has consistently been challenged by national media, and the mother ship alike, for his late game decision making (ie passing to the open shooter as opposed to taking the game winning shot himself). I would rather Reke tried to make the right play instead of trying to be like Lebron.
diehardkingsfan5 - February 1, 2012 via mobile
Again
If he gets a wide open layup, I have a tough time criticizing his decision to lay the ball up. There are other times he’ll power into the traffic and get rejected, or try a 180 – those are the times he needs to play smarter.
He also played 44 minutes, and I’m wondering if that was a mistake on Smart’s part. Of course, if he doesn’t, maybe the team isn’t within 15 points in the last two minutes.
otis29 - February 1, 2012
Right
There are better (or worse) examples of his poor decision making. But I have to still disagree on that layup attempt. It may have been open and convertable given Rekes ability at the rim, but the better play was to give it to JT. I don’t care how good Reke is at layups, I’m always a proponent of finding the better option. That’s how I play pick up ball and how I expect my teammates to play pick up ball with me-unselfishly. Maybe I just have high expectations for my pick up games.
diehardkingsfan5 - February 1, 2012 via mobile
I'm pretty sure that if 'Reke were playing in your pickup games him taking a layup would always be the best option
lead_pipe - February 1, 2012
Nah
I’m like Mutumbo in the paint.
diehardkingsfan5 - February 1, 2012
I agree with this sentiment exactly
Tyreke got six assists actually. 5 turnovers is way too much. He should have only two, so knock off three. I’m one to admit I watch Tyreke replays on Youtube hundreds of times, but he has lost more games than won. He lost against the Lakers with the ball in his hand and five nights later to the Cleveland Cavaliers last year. Wait, let me think, he didn’t even get a shot off, he turned the ball over because Lebron and Kobe shut him down. He should never shoot threes, ever, and Thomas should be running the offense the whole Damn 4th quarter. Why the hell would Tyreke shoot a three with five left on the clock when Isiah was almost causing Grant Napear to turn on the sprinkler systems. He has this Memphis mentality still, and that needs to be shut down completely.
Bendacorna - February 1, 2012
How did he get six assists exactly?
otis29 - February 1, 2012
Must be that new math
SavageBeast - February 1, 2012
huh...huh...it says "bangkok"
otis29 - February 1, 2012
He got six assists because 5 turnovers is too many. Wierd logic, I know, but...
Turnovers, in the Kings case, usually lead to points on the other end, more often than not. If he has 9 assists but 5 turnovers, then the points scored off fast breaks going the other way, I think, take away from his assists. The so-called specialness of a 9 assist game doesn’t mean as much to me if his turnovers lead to transition 3’s and usually an easy fast break which changes momentum. When Tyreke creates turnovers, it takes away from the great defense he could play on a fast break if it occurs. I don’t see Tyreke (THE 1) ever winning a seven game series. Thomas had 4 assists last night in how much time? Limited time, I’m sure, compared to the 44 minutes Reke got.
Bendacorna - February 1, 2012
See Savage Beast's post above
That’s certainly creative accounting.
otis29 - February 2, 2012
If Evans were having the ball stolen at the top of the key, I might agree
But, a charging call, stepping out of bounds, or pass out of bounds, don’t carry the type of penalty your describing. Their just a loss of possession, and since we only shot 40%, 5 turnovers mean the loss of 2 baskets at best. But, without the assists our fg% would probably be less than 40%.
The top playmaking PG’s in the league average a A:T ratio of between 3-4.3 to 1, and that’s about 10 players. The next 25 on the list average between 2-3 to 1. So, 9 to 5 doesn’t put Tyreke in the top 40. But, he’s not killing the team either.
HighTops - February 2, 2012
Um,
The Lakers and Heat games that you speak of were back in 2009, during his rookie year, not last year.
Also, please enlighten me as to why/how Thomas is a better facilitator than Evans, because I simply have not seen it, nor do the stats support it.
section214 - February 1, 2012
What I really like to see
is Jimmer or IT bringing up the ball, then Evans running the offense. We get into our offense quicker and Evans doesn’t have to waste energy bringing up the ball.
SavageBeast - February 1, 2012
I like this idea a lot
One thing that does pain me about Evans is his “Bibby disease,” where he barely crosses the timeline at the 16 second mark of the shot clock. Drive me crazy..which to be fair, is a relatively short drive.
section214 - February 1, 2012
Hop skip and a jump for me too
SavageBeast - February 1, 2012
And you've already taken the hop.
LeaguePassAddict - February 1, 2012
uh, uhm, uh
betweentheeyes - January 31, 2012
Ayn Rand Alert!
wallywagon11 - January 31, 2012
Thanks!
I seriously thought that was David Mitchell.
RampagingMice - February 1, 2012
Where's Mike Wallace?
One of my favorite interviews of all time.
RJinFairOaks - January 31, 2012
*Waves Hand* This loss never happened...go about your business. Move along.
HarveySpecter - January 31, 2012
woh.
Who is this?
ridingthebench - February 1, 2012
Kate Upton
The answer to all bad things.
HarveySpecter - February 1, 2012
Fuck this shit!
DiegoKing - January 31, 2012
Why, Lord?
Why us?
DiegoKing - January 31, 2012
,.,.
DiegoKing - January 31, 2012
SharkKings49 - January 31, 2012
MIND. BLOWN.
darooster - January 31, 2012
Look I don't have any qualms about our stars
Even if they have got a lot of turnovers, these can be offset if they score, and when you have the ball in your hands for majority of the time then you are bound to have TOs. So for me its a lack of contribution from our other players that are missing. Reke, DMC, IT are carrying the scoring load and are putting the team into a winning position, so it boils down to the other guys. Man, if we only have a decent SF.
tidge18 - January 31, 2012
The lack of contribution of other players is tied directly to the actions of our “star” guard.
ExPFCWintergreen - February 1, 2012
He had 9 assist tonight
and probably should of had 13-15 if guys could finish around the rim, or make a jumpshot.
elSAVinator - February 1, 2012
If any other player had control of the ball as much as he does, and plays for as long as he does, it is most likely they would have similar numbers.
ExPFCWintergreen - February 1, 2012
I just find it hard to pin a loss on a guy whose stat line was
T. Evans 22 Pts, 10 Reb, 9 Ast, 3 Stl, 1 Blk +3 and totally outplayed his counterpart Curry/Ellis
elSAVinator - February 1, 2012
I think he would contribute even more if he played SF, not “point guard”
ExPFCWintergreen - February 1, 2012
Well technically he played SG most of the game with Jimmer & IT at PG
But Evans and Cousins are the focal point of the offense, so go ahead and call him SF, PG, C or pretty pretty princess and his function will remain largely the same.
Quite frankly positions are less important than roles offensively. On the defensive side you need players who can guard certain positions.
SPTSJUNKIE - February 1, 2012
Im so glad there are enough guys still around to defend Tyreke on here
because, honestly, I don’t get the sky is falling attitude. And, especially you Junkie, you do it with class whereas I would become rather irritated. Thanks for being a voice of reason.
sac_faithful - February 1, 2012
So true on junkie
I’ve lost my patience already with them so I’ll just stop trying to defend him before I revolt to juvenile insults
Allbenji - February 1, 2012 via mobile
+1
caseycheesecake - February 1, 2012
I try too
But most of the time I find that it’s more enjoyable to shut my head in a car door
HeuristicLineup - February 1, 2012
TY both and I am glad to have some other posters here who
don’t want to trade one of the most unique talents we’ve had in a Kings uniform.
SPTSJUNKIE - February 1, 2012
That jerk!
How dare he not have a triple double!?
rubenho - February 1, 2012
TD if Hickson could catch an easy pass for that dunk.
caseycheesecake - February 1, 2012
I feel like I've seen this same comment in every post game thread so far....
Wonderchild - February 1, 2012
submarine volcano
betweentheeyes - January 31, 2012
Jimmer needs to catch and shoot
He is trying to do too much still. His confidence is low and is outside of his scope trying to create at the NBA level. Not that he lost us the game, but his development in this shortened season requires him to have a balance of playing time and confidence. Jimmer needs to work on coming off screens and catch n shoot.
RNkingsfan - January 31, 2012
Why can't WE do down-screens for Jimmer to just catch and shoot?
I don’t get it.
caseycheesecake - February 1, 2012
Trade Jimmer before his value goes way down.
he’s a good player. but he can’t fit well with this team.
we need a SF
Jimmered. - January 31, 2012
Jimmer is awesome
Quit picking on future HoF’er.
bench_blob - January 31, 2012
lol
fffindeed - January 31, 2012
COTN
Chasm of the Night
fffindeed - January 31, 2012
Jimmer wouldn't have been my draft pick
But I love the way he drained that three that Reke dished to him from midair under the basket. I love Cisco and Donte, but I would have expected either one of them to miss that shot, at least these days.
blknblu - February 1, 2012
No, C'mon man.
Would rather package some older veteran player, not a rookie who has such a sweet shot and has only played like 2 games. He’s struggling, he needs to work on a lot, I get it, but have a little patience, please.
DiegoKing - January 31, 2012
I would substitute Evans in that sentence
ExPFCWintergreen - February 1, 2012
You're right
That 22 year old throwing up near triple doubles even though his jumper isn’t developed yet needs to go. He’s what’s holding this team back. Not a new coach installing a system midseason. Not injuries to key players. Not the lack of a NBA caliber SF. Not a struggling bench. Just trade the 22 year old who put up 22-10-9 with a measley 3 steals and a block. I mean he was only shooting 45% before tossing up two desperation threes in the last 20 seconds of the game. Really killed our team. Replace him with a Jose Calderon or Andre Miller and this is a playoff team. Let’s do it.
Warning: Beware of chasms. Poster take no responsibility for injuries caused by long falls into deep chasms. Charge forward at your own risk.
SPTSJUNKIE - February 1, 2012
It is a fool’s errand to build a team around Evans, which is what they are trying to do, and it will fail. If they were trying to build a team around DMC, then I am all in. Evans, not so much.
ExPFCWintergreen - February 1, 2012
They are building the team around both
And while I like how Cousins is developing, he is certainly not at a point where he is ready to lead the offense.
Most teams would consider themselves very fortunate to have such a young player producing the way he is. I’m just at a loss at how you can be so anti-Reke.
SPTSJUNKIE - February 1, 2012
If Evans were coached by a disciplinarian, I think he would be capable of greatness. As it is, however, he has received the keys to the city, and I don’t see that working out so well for him or for the Kings.
ExPFCWintergreen - February 1, 2012
Smart seems to have made progress and it's been just over a month
And if the coach is the issue, than replace the coach, not the 22 year old you think is capable of greatness. It’s far easier to hire a new coach in the NBA, than it is to acquire a talent like Evans.
SPTSJUNKIE - February 1, 2012
Amazingly
The third youngest player on the youngest team in the NBA, who spent his first two plus years under the tutelage of Paul Westphal, is STILL inconsistent, with flashes of dominance.
I think we should get rid of him, since any other young potential great young player would have thrived in that environment!
This seems like sound logic for a rebuilding team.
otis29 - February 1, 2012
lolz, so good.
Shizzo - February 2, 2012
This.
VenomySnicket - February 2, 2012
Discipline
Absolutely correct! Reke is like a little kid with an attitude. He gets away with it because he’s so good. But the unvarnished truth is, he blew it. Too much ego and not enough brains. Building a team around him will prove to be foolish. Trade him.
seeanew - February 1, 2012
What attitude are you seeing? What ego?
Because all I’m seeing is a very talented guy working on his game after having no real coaching going on his first two years in the league.
LeaguePassAddict - February 1, 2012
Attitude and Ego...?
WTF, if you guys are going to rag on the guy, could you at least not make shit up?
HeuristicLineup - February 1, 2012
This is completely BS, and you're trolling.
I’ve never seen that with his on the court demeanor and certainly not during interviews. He seems more like a shy and humble kid to me.
Crocoduck - February 2, 2012 via mobile
The wheels on the bus go round and round, round and round, round and round…
otis29 - February 1, 2012
Reke is a taller version of Iverson which we don't need
Even though his stat line looks good it doesn’t tell the whole story of his poor decision making. Reke is another mitch richmond for the kings. Good player but not great. Looks like a monster in a kings uniform but just above average when compared to rest of the league. King fabs marvel at his game, but is he consistant. Nooo. Is his bball IQ high hell no. Teams know how to defend him. Look at the warriors D in the forth quarter on reke. Close the lane and wait for that dorky spin move in the lane while he’s out of control. This happens often to reke in the forth quarter, its like teams bait him for three quarters allowing him movement as not to pick up cheap foiuls, and then its balls to the wall in the forth. Coaching staff has to be aware of this.
rbk84 - February 1, 2012
Holy cow
A taller version of Iverson? Now I’ve heard everything.
otis29 - February 1, 2012
Truth hurts
Look at his game and you will see the similarities. A.I. mindset score first . think pass only to keep teamates and coaches happy. If this wasn’t true dude woud’nt treat the ball like a yo yo for 12 seconds before figuring out what the hell he want to do with the ball. I would much rather have Jimmer in the game in the forth spreading out the defense than have the ball in rekes hands driving into a defense designed to stop your penetration. The odds at this point are in Jimmers favor because this kid has not been unleashed and nobody knows just what to expect from his game yet. Every team has figured out reke. Just look at his forth quater stats and shot chart. Kings have a lot more talent that needs to be showcased . Coaches have to trust their players more.
rbk84 - February 1, 2012
With all due respect,
where have you seen anything in Fredette’s game that would indicate that he would be a pass-first point guard, or a better facilitator than Evans? Because I simply have not seen it on either the pro or collegiate level.
section214 - February 1, 2012
you obviously haven't been paying attention to the defense when jimmer has the ball.
Jimmer spreads the D when he gets the ball, defenders respect his range so they play him upclose which opens up the 15 ft jumpers for Cuz and JT as well as a pick and roll option. When reke has the ball they play him to the right because every knows reke doesn’nt know how to go left and they wait for him in the lane. This disrupts the offense in the forth. The best time to evaluate a player is in the forth quarter. The earlier part of a game is not as impactful as the forth quarter. Thats where comebacks and blowouts usually occur. Thats where the team not the individual shines. I’m not hatin on reke but i don’t think he deserves the keys to the car yet. Hate to say it but if Blake Griffin did’nt get hurt in his rookie season, reke would be just a good player on a bad team not rookie of the year. The hype over his game would not be there, so he would have to listen more to coaches than he has. So lets get real, we have a rok by default its not the real deal. So we should wake up to that fact. Reality hurts. Ricky Rubio on this team playoffs. Period.
rbk84 - February 1, 2012
You know i've been guilty of throwing out Reke trade proposals
But the guy is really good and I try to think of trades that make the team better/better fit for the team long term. He has some similarities to Iverson but he seems like a way better teammate and team player than Iverson ever was throughout his entire HOF career. That’s saying something, ill take him any day ahead of Rubio just because of the dominance he shows at times. Rubio will never be capable of doing some of the things Reke can do. His passing is brilliant but if we would have drafted him that year instead of Reke this organization would be in a very different situation, we would probably not have a team in Sacramento right now. Who knows if he would have came over that year, the fans would have had nothing to look forward to, no hope, no interest in the Kings. I love Reke as a player and his potential. Jimmer has shown me nothing besides the fact that he is a great shooter, He is not a pure pg at all, he looks for his shot constantly, he can make smart pg plays here and there, his defense is horrible and he needs some work on his game.
Chent - February 1, 2012 via mobile
i forgot to say
Jimmer looks for his shot except for when he’s open, when he’s open he looks to pass. I think Jimmer will be good but Reke and Isaiah are better PGs as of right now.
Chent - February 1, 2012 via mobile
I've watched all but one game this year
And I have seen no indication that Fredette would be an improvement at point guard over Evans. None. And your response provided nothing to enlighten me or change my opinion. A lot of conjecture, but nothing tangible that would show where Fredette has proven himself to be a better point guard option than Evans.
I’m not convinced that Evans is the ultimate point guard for the Kings. But he is light years better than anyone else on the roster right now. Honestly, people can wish upon a star all they want, but the truth of the matter is that this team has no point guard on the current roster better than Tyreke Evans.
section214 - February 1, 2012
IT is a much better point Guard than REKE
Proof is in the pudding. Team responds to IT when he’s on the floor because they know he will pass before shooting. You see it in their body language. IT and at times Jimmer look more in control of the offense than REKE. And here is an undeniable fact. REKE has over 180 nba games under his belt whereas IT and Jimmer doesn’t. and if i was grading on performance and potential. I would have to say give the edge to Jimmer and IT because i feel that if both of them had 180 games under their belt this team would be a thing of beauty. Cuz has improved after one season, and his dominace should be highlighted even more. Cuz is the future of the kings. If reke was traded and we were left with the remainder of the team we still would win because the identity of this team would emerge. Cuz with his lapses of reason is still a commited team player. Sometimes i wonder if reke is that commited of the team concept. Playground verses structured team. Thats the Kings problem. IT, Jimmer, Hayes, JT and Cuz games are structured and are embodied in a team concept. Reke, JJ Hickson, Donte are examples as Playground players. They score in streaks but hurt your offense with their style of play. They make the other players stand around when they have the ball.Look at the teams that defeat us, ball movement and precise passing is what they use against. Reke is not chril paul, never will be. Like i said earlier he is a taller Iverson and his game will improve only a little. His not having a left hand shot in the lane in his 3rd year tells me he is not working on the things he should in the off season. Other than his 3 point shot i haven’t seen improvement in other important areas of his game. Starting the offense on time, driving from the wing as opposed to down the lane,setting up screens on the low post to free bigs aand take your man out of the flow, pass the ball to open teamates on fast break instead of driving in for the hard basket, accepting his role as a leader as opposed to star. These areas need improvement before i can even think of reke as being relevant. I think he would be a great sixth man, because lets face it we need instant offense at the end of 1st and beginning of 2nd. His being 6th man changes the dynamic of the game, like bobby jackson was at times. When Bobby hit the floor we gained momentum if we needed it or buried the the other team. I think thats whats missing on the Kings. Problem is dude won ROY by default and everyone thinks he’s the best thing since sliced bread. Reke is a sixth man on any other team like mitch richmond. Small market mentality we must overcome. Cuz is the future period. The Kings will be faced with that fact when contract time comes around. All the Reke lovers will have to make a decision between Cuz and Reke because face it this team will not be able to afford both of the . Reke’s contract is up first for negotiation, we will see just how much this franchise want to win then.
rbk84 - February 1, 2012
I think I just had a seizure
otis29 - February 1, 2012
Holy crap... Let me introduce you to something...
HeuristicLineup - February 1, 2012
Spaces
The final frontier.
SavageBeast - February 1, 2012
No, he is not.
section214 - February 1, 2012
You read through that?
This is for you, my brother:
otis29 - February 1, 2012
Full disclosure - I had my crack staff of translators break it down for me
section214 - February 1, 2012
I see pookey and hightops in that photo..Is that Ed as well
Widowwolf - February 1, 2012
Sooooo......
No one caught that Mitch Richmond was only good because he played on a weak Sactown squad, he would have been a sixth man anywhere else?
Cuz a lot of sixth men score 20000 points in the NBA, ranking 20th of all time, as well as making six all star games, and five all-nba teams.
I hope Tyreke is just like Mitch Richmond.
MichaelMack - February 1, 2012
Brain frozen
eyes twitching
lietothegirls - February 1, 2012
Lol this reminds me of one of those eye tests
where you try to find the O in the endless sea of 0’s
00000000O000000000 <——-Like that
Wonderchild - February 1, 2012
I can see your point about Tyreke's 180 gms
And, while one might surmise that Jimmer or IT could make greater strides if they had 180 gms experience, you can’t know that for certain.
I did read thru your wall of words, but it looks like it even confused you. The fact that Evans has more experience and even tho I agree with Tyreke lack of a left hand and other undeveloped skills, his failures don’t make him a worse choice than Jimmer or IT because of their lack of experienc.
Yes, everyone on this team has been playing Playground Basketball for the last 2+ years, not because that’s their style but because they weren’t trained to play organized Basketball. Donte one year of college, Tyreke one year of college, DeMarcus one year of college, Whiteside one year of college, JJ Hickson one year of college. Does it come to anyones surprise that Thornton and Thompson, two of our best players, spent 4 years in college or that Jimmer & IT have started out as well as he has after 4 years of college.
Your confusing a poor job of coaching and developing of our players for a playground mentality and lack of potential.
Enjoy your favorite players and watch their development. But until either Jimmer or IT step up their game, Tyreke is the best choice, and the other two will have to develop while coming off the bench.
HighTops - February 1, 2012
Omg
I couldn’t get past the 3rd line in the great wall of words. Now I have a headache.
Allbenji - February 1, 2012 via mobile
Jimmer spreads the D when he gets the ball
Don’t know if jimmer could do it but Sac shoulda broke the Dubs zone by putting in some outside shots. That Isiah kid showed how after it was too late. The other thing they did wrong was letting udoh play his game, he’s a ball swatter so best thing to neutralize him is go up against his body and handcuff him or draw a foul. Was nice to see the progress Demarcus has made since last year, he’s gonna be alright, and hope the kings can win the re-play as the dubs need losses to retain their 1st round draft pick.
Skeptic con Urquell - February 1, 2012
Jimmer
I’ve been proposing Jimmer at PG all year. Jimmer will do anything he’s asked to do, he’s that kind of kid. He will learn to pass first if that’s what it takes to play and win. He’ll make Tyreke better and when called on could score from the point unlike a lot of pg’s. Tell me who Tyreke makes better? That’s the number one duty of a point guard and as great an athlete and defender as Tyreke is he doesn’t make teammates better. Maybe Jimmer won’t either but for my money it’s worth the chance. The Kings have lost five in a row and all you guys are thrilled with Tyreke’s pg play. I don’t get it.
bankers hours - February 1, 2012
You don't get it
because you’re too busy dry humping Fredette’s leg.
I have no issue with Fredette playing alongside Evans, and I think that the two of them could potentially combine for a heckuva backcourt tandem. But Fredette has shown nothing – nothing! – to indicate that he is ready to run an NBA team, or that he is within a mile of Evans in that capacity.
section214 - February 1, 2012
I think he's shown he'll do anything he's asked to given he's clearly trying to learn how to play the point
but then again, that probably is part of your point.
wallywagon11 - February 1, 2012
I think/hope that Fredette can become a very good player in the league
But this can be stated without resorting to denigrating Evans or his play. That is the difference between being a Kings fan that is pulling for Fredette and a Jimmer jock rider that would be gone if Fredette went elsewhere.
Yeah, gettin’ tired of it.
section214 - February 1, 2012
Well, AI is a borderline HOF guy
So I guess it’s an insult to be compared to him? But I don’t see as many comparisons on their games – Tyreke is a bull, a physical defender, and a better rebounder. AI was lightning fast, fearless around the basket, a slightly better passer (whether he was “making people happy” or not) and a better outside shooter.
These guys compare in one area IMO, and that’s that they both go to the basket a lot. That alone doesn’t make them similar players.
otis29 - February 1, 2012
Additionally
Year three for AI is when his usage rate really skyrocketed. Tyreke’s usage rate has decreased each of his three seasons, which tells me he might be a bit more receptive to being a part of a team-oriented offense than a guy who feels like he needs to score 30 per game.
otis29 - February 1, 2012
Agreed, if anyone deserves the A.I. mentality on this team, it is Thornton.
Volume shooter. Good in the passing lanes on defense, but otherwise a bad defender. Likes taking the clutch shots.
Wonderchild - February 1, 2012
No one on this team is as good as AI
For all his faults and issues, he was a 5’11 MVP and was a 1 man team that went to the Finals. I wouldn’t want him on my team, but I wish anyone on this team had his skill.
Plus, he busted a shot on Lue and stepped over him while Lue was stuck on the ground. I will always respect a player who does that to a Laker.
SharkKings49 - February 1, 2012
to be
fair, it seemed like everyone was ball pounding on the 3 point line all 4th quarter. it wasn’t just Reke. even little I.T. ( who is quickly looking like the classic point guard that this team needs so badly. when they runs and push it, good things happen, when they hesitate behind the 3 point line….things can get a little iffy..I think overall, reek is playing a much more complete game including his PG play (9 assists…). i think it still comes down to a consistent intensity for the entire game. he tends to dominate in spurts.
gaindeyouth - February 1, 2012
simple question. Will reke ever become league MVP HELL NO
rbk84 - February 1, 2012
Now you're just changing the argument AND trolling
otis29 - February 1, 2012
NO just live in reality
In five years reke will be the answer to a trivia question. Who was that ROY the kings had. He’ll be comming off the bench for probably the Bucks or some team that was willing to give him the bank and found out he wasn’t the superstar the Media hyped him out to be. Another guard will come out of college to live in that spotlight for a while and cuz developes into a premier center and carries his team into the playoffs each year and lives up to his potential. Put reke on the trading block with Cuz and see who has the most interest from other teams. Reke’s bad habits should have taken care of themselves in the two years he’s been in the league. Look at Curry and the others out of that draft class. Most have improved their games or riding the pine. Here we are in his third year and people are applauding his ability to finally pass the ball to an open man. You learn that stuff in high school. Reke’s game lacks basic fundementals of the game. Dude’s not to bright which is something you can’t have in a person controlling the flow of you offense.
rbk84 - February 1, 2012
Oh, dear
otis29 - February 1, 2012
section214 - February 1, 2012
You ain't living in reality if you think anyone here was arguing Reke will be league MVP
Living in a land of straw.
Oh and when did anyone say Cousins has less trade value?
So so so much straw.
wallywagon11 - February 1, 2012
Just a few weeks ago when PW suspended CUZ
people on this site said cuz did.nt have any trade value when the question of should cuz stay or go. There were alot of PW fans saying cuz was a cancer to team. Remember that, and how the MSM came to PW. defense and how Cuz was thrown under the bus by REKE and other teamates. You think Cuz has forgotten that. You don’t think that trust is a factor the players and organization are coping with. Look at how the team plays NO TRUST THERE PERIOD.
rbk84 - February 1, 2012
Neat
You still are not living in reality if you think anyone here was aruging Reke will be league MVP
Oh and nobody here is saying Cousins has less trade value.
Sorry. Have fun on fantasy island crazy person.
wallywagon11 - February 1, 2012
Now were are calling people crazy. But you are a kings fan SO Whos Crazy
No wonder the team is so bad with fans who don’t expect much from their players like you. Keep living in your own fantasy my friend . My whole point has been that reke has but not a fit for this team, but not a fit for this kind of team. Like A.I. when he went to the pistons and nuggets. Without the ball in his hand controlling the game he was’nt half as effective, and throughout his whole career he could hide his weakness in the 76ers system. Kings need unselfish guards period.
rbk84 - February 1, 2012
I don't think wally's a player, he's just a member of the website
otis29 - February 1, 2012
To be fair, Wally would be our best SF
SPTSJUNKIE - February 1, 2012
You just went from arguing with the voices in your head
to saying it’s the fans fault for the teams struggles.
My only point was you were making up shit.
wallywagon11 - February 1, 2012
Once more around, pal
Sounds like pops and buzzes from here.
section214 - February 1, 2012
Now he just needs a brain!
caseycheesecake - February 2, 2012
You’re funny. Reality? Reke would be a starter on any team besides … shit. Maybe the Clippers, and that’s only because they start Billups and Paul. I don’t think there’s another team in the NBA that wouldn’t start Tyreke.
Charles L. Pierro - February 1, 2012
Simple question...
Are you saying Jimmer or IT are future MVPs? hahaha
shaydbrayd - February 1, 2012
Truth would not hurt.
A taller version of Allen Iverson is a HOF’er and a perennial MVP.
caseycheesecake - February 2, 2012
A taller version of Iverson? Now I’ve heard everything.
a taller version of another mitch richmond?
Skeptic con Urquell - February 1, 2012
Love Evans
But he’s not The Rock either. Mitch was an amazing defender and had a career 3pt shooting percentage of nearly 40%
SavageBeast - February 1, 2012
He's a thinner version of Oliver Miller
No…wait…he’s a shorter version of James Worthy.
No, that’s not right – dammit!
He’s a more athletic version of Sophia Veraga.
Alright, that didn’t make any sense and I’m just rambling now.
He’s…he’s…he’s a richer version of Terry Tyler.
F*ck! This is a lot harder than I thought it would be.
Ah, screw it. One thing’s for sure – he’s no Jimmer!
section214 - February 1, 2012
NO HE IS THE
Slower, less athletic, more worried about his stats, wont do the dirty work version of Gerald Wallace
yeah i think thats about right
1damutt - February 1, 2012
Yeah, spot on
(Rolls eyes)
section214 - February 1, 2012
or maybe
a smaller more athletic cory magette with better handles and less BBIQ?
Skeptic con Urquell - February 1, 2012
Less BBIQ than Maggette? I didn't know that was possible
SharkKings49 - February 1, 2012
"You forgot lazy, ugly and disrespectful!"
otis29 - February 1, 2012
And he smells like someone died
section214 - February 1, 2012
to quote Peaches "Thats good stuff right there"
1damutt - February 1, 2012
someone's been watching Tombstone lately
one of the all time best bad movies
So incredibly cheese ball, how the hell does everyone’s 6 piece have 80 bullets, the love story angle has some awful lines, and yet it’s utterly badass and amazing.
wallywagon11 - February 1, 2012
When I first got my big-screen HDTV about four years ago
It’s the first DVD I threw in there. Grabbed a beer, cranked the sound up and watched one of the great popcorn flicks of all time.
“YOU TELL HIM I’M COMING…AND HELL’S COMING WITH ME!!”
otis29 - February 1, 2012
Great B movie. Kilmer was great too.
blknblu - February 1, 2012
+1
caseycheesecake - February 2, 2012
You have a problem with that?
Go ahead, skin that smokewagon!
section214 - February 1, 2012
Or, for those of you that go a different way -
Go ahead, smoke that skin wagon.
Not that there’s anything wrong with that.
section214 - February 1, 2012
It's amazing that the movie was even finished,
Multiple directors (got fired/quit), over-budget, etc..
The Crown Royal Gentleman - February 1, 2012
I'm your huckleberry.
“We’re playing for blood.”
Doc: “That’s just my game.”
Kilmer saved that movie, in my opinion.
The Crown Royal Gentleman - February 1, 2012
We weren't talking about you.
LeaguePassAddict - February 1, 2012
...
otis29 - February 1, 2012
Ok, ok!
I got off your lawn. Yeesh.
LeaguePassAddict - February 1, 2012
HeuristicLineup - February 1, 2012
Well I wouldn't go that far
But Reke does need to work on that “driving into a brick wall” thing and that blind spin directly into Biedrin’s chest was pretty ugly.
blknblu - February 1, 2012
that blind spin directly into Biedrin’s chest was pretty ugly.
didn’t he get up from that one holding his nose?
Skeptic con Urquell - February 1, 2012
yeah he did
that looked like it hurt like hell
wallywagon11 - February 1, 2012
that looked like it hurt like hell
probably the best teaching tool.
Skeptic con Urquell - February 1, 2012
You know, Jimmered
Lots of people complain about the Jimmer jockeys, and I can’t totally blame them. But people like you, who have only one message, trade Jimmer, he sucks (okay make that too.) Are just as bad. Lately you’ve at least changed your message to trade him because he is a good player. But it seriously is old and tired. We are not going to trade Jimmer in his first year anymore than we traded any of our other rookies in their first year.
Relax and let the season play out. This applies to both sides—Jimmer fans and foes. If he is as good as you think he will play into more minutes. If he is bad as you think he will play out of the rotation. It’s not like we have a fixed set of players that are consistently getting us wins. We won’t know whether Jimmer is a bust or an important part of the team until things begin to stabilize a little.
My two cents is that he is pretty much where most people in the middle expected him to be.
SavageBeast - February 1, 2012
Voice of reason rec -
.
section214 - February 1, 2012
I have no worries about Jimmer after watching him so far
I don’t see a future superstar but I think he’ll be fine.
blknblu - February 1, 2012
Agree with you
SPTSJUNKIE - February 1, 2012
No worse than Steve Blake anyway.
But he’s stocky, like if Ramon Sessions could shoot the lights out, that’s where I see Jimmer ending up.
VenomySnicket - February 2, 2012
caseycheesecake - February 2, 2012
Yep, well stated SB
otis29 - February 1, 2012
I was shocked he wasn't in when we needed that 3 pointer
Honeycut – really?
lietothegirls - February 1, 2012
He brought Honeycutt in for the intentional foul.
I think Tyreke had 5 PFs
Wonderchild - February 1, 2012
Correct
section214 - February 1, 2012
Yep
But he didn’t bring Jimmer in at all in the last two possessions when we needed 3pt shots. Ended up being a decent call, because IT delivered. Just interesting since Jimmer is your highest % 3pt shooter. Maybe Samrt doesn’t think he is clutch after the Utah miss? Don’t know. But it was odd.
SavageBeast - February 1, 2012
Agreed
section214 - February 1, 2012
But he didn’t bring Jimmer in at all in the last two possessions when we needed 3pt shots.
they needed 3 point shots a lot more than just the last minute, they shoulda been using jimmer against the zone if he can make NBA 3 point shots.
Skeptic con Urquell - February 1, 2012
Jimmer has had a real hard time breaking the zone so far
don’t get me wrong, they gotta let him try again but just can see why they were reluctant
wallywagon11 - February 1, 2012
don’t get me wrong, they gotta let him try again but just can see why they were reluctant
I don’t know much about jimmer but I know how to beat the dubs and just playing into the hands of their zone won’t work. Sac needs someone to step up and make some outside shots in that situation then go back to cuz and inside game once the outside shots break the zone.
Skeptic con Urquell - February 1, 2012
Hi, Skeptic
I enjoy your posts and discussion. But one thing that drives me crazy is that you quote the person you’re replying to in your subject line. And when you do it that way, nobody can tell that you’re quoting unless they read the comment above yours, or it just sounds like you’re parroting someone else.
If you want to quote someone, put it in the body of the post, select the test and click on the button between the subject line and the body of the post that looks like quotation marks. It puts your quote in a purple box, and then everything is clear.
LeaguePassAddict - February 1, 2012
^select the text.
LeaguePassAddict - February 1, 2012
Hi LPA
for some reason I don’t like those colored boxes. I try to keep the comments tied to the post I’m responding to unless I screw it up.
What do you think about needing more outside shooting when the dubs went to zone? Since I can’t get Kings games over here I haven’t seen enough games to know if jimmer can make them but thomas looked like he could at the end when it was too late.
Also got the feeling that hayes shouldn’t be trying to play yet, thought JT played pretty good.
Skeptic con Urquell - February 1, 2012
As long as you use the reply button,
people will be able to tell what you’re responding to.
Where are you that you can’t see games? And have you tried some of the streams online to see them?
I think that Jimmer was drafted because of his three point shooting. Marcus Thornton is the only other person on the team who has a decent outside shot. Salmons used to, but he’s so bad this year I cringe every time he puts up a shot. And Donté is incredibly inconsistent from 3. Isaiah is coming along, and I’d rather have Tyreke do other thinigs that he does well instead of jacking up long-range, fall-away jumpers.
It’s something we’ve lacked, and if Tyreke can get into the habit of dribbling into the paint about halfway and then either dishing, pulling up for a short shot, or, if they give it to him, getting to the rim (in that order of preference), then we’ll be able to break down zones regularly, which we’ve struggled to do in the past.
LeaguePassAddict - February 2, 2012
Where are you?
I live in santa cruz so my comcast is warriors. My son lives in land park so I get to see games when I visit them.
I didn’t see any streaming game links on the kings game threads , maybe I missed them. I’ll have to look around a bit further next game.
Skeptic con Urquell - February 2, 2012
Since you're in the Dubs market
I don’t think you’d be blacked out on the Kings games if you used NBA’s League Pass. Although it seems a bit pricey, and I’ve heard mixed reviews of the quality of the online product.
otis29 - February 2, 2012
Thanks
I’ll look into in
Skeptic con Urquell - February 2, 2012
I was shocked that Smart put, Hayes, JJ, Garcia, Donte and IT out there
talk about a lineup with little to no scoring. Two points total on a assisted basket in the paint from IT to Hayes, against GS’s reserves.
HighTops - February 1, 2012
Maybe that was one of the things he said he wouldn't do again...
from his post-game interview.
Wonderchild - February 1, 2012
Any game that includes 36 minutes of John Salmons is like...
Well…let me cancel that thought so I don’t give myself a nightmare.
bench_blob - January 31, 2012
I hate the Salmons trade more than cavitys.
I would rather have a a horribly abscessed tooth than Salmons being on the Kings.
DiegoKing - January 31, 2012
Have you had an abscessed tooth?
That is some awful pain. As terrible as Salmons has been, I’d rather see his bricks than feel like I want to rip my own tooth out.
darooster - January 31, 2012
I have had one before and they suck ass, but I'd rather deal with on and have the Kings winning games.
You feel me?
DiegoKing - January 31, 2012
I too would rather have DiegoKing deal with an abscessed tooth than watch Salmons
SPTSJUNKIE - February 1, 2012
I can get behind this
darooster - February 1, 2012
Let's start a petition. To Change.org!
SPTSJUNKIE - February 1, 2012
Nice!
DiegoKing - February 1, 2012
At least a tooth issue is fixable
the Salmons situation… not really
prowseinthehouse - February 1, 2012
of course it's fixable
rip it out ;)
Schnuppermeister - February 1, 2012
Why does Salmons have more playing time than Fredette, JT, Green, ….
Keith Smart may be best suited as the chief assistant coach — the one who is the “buddy” to the players.
ExPFCWintergreen - February 1, 2012
to guard the warriors' small forwards
which lead to them torching us.
zo0m - February 1, 2012 via mobile
Because when Salmons comes off the bench
He pouts and plays even worse. Though at this point it’s hard to imagine…
LeaguePassAddict - February 1, 2012
We were this close...
Schnuppermeister - January 31, 2012
fuck it doesnt work...
Schnuppermeister - January 31, 2012
Perfect metaphor :)
SPTSJUNKIE - February 1, 2012
sad but true
Schnuppermeister - February 1, 2012
yes, now i got it :))... so from the start: We were this close... :)
Schnuppermeister - February 1, 2012
Nice job persevering
elSAVinator - February 1, 2012
Nice GIF man!
Normdog - February 1, 2012
ty guys
i needed this :)
Schnuppermeister - February 1, 2012
What sticks in my mind...
…pretty sure at the end of the game Tyreke iso against Nate (height difference?). He could have shot it, but instead drives into paint and traffic and throws up layup and miss.
getPGwithbounce - February 1, 2012
tyreke has no trust in his shot...
almost like jimmer
Schnuppermeister - February 1, 2012
Neither do we
Rickyflip - February 1, 2012
At least I trust Jimmer's shot. Can't say the same about Tyreke
SharkKings49 - February 1, 2012
Tyreke - 42% FG%, Jimmer - 36% FG%
I do trust Fredette’s deep shot more.
section214 - February 1, 2012
Not sure that's a very clear stat
when you consider how many of Tyreke’s makes are at the rim. I think I would say I trust Evan’s ability to score more and Jimmer’s shot (defined as not a lay-up) more. But at this point Jimmer is not in the same league as Evans, no matter who you like more.
SavageBeast - February 1, 2012
I trust Tyreke's layups, but nothing else
for the season if you remove all the shots at the rim, Tyreke is 42 of 169 or 24.9% FG% and Jimmer is 52 of 155 or 33.5%. Neither is all that impressive. Now, I didn’t include Jimmer’s 20 additional 3 pointers which would give Jimmer a eFG% of 43.2%, because I couldn’t figure out how many of Tyreke’s FT’s came away from the rim.
Overall, in crunch time there isn’t anyone I trust. Maybe Thornton when healthy.
HighTops - February 1, 2012
I'm also including Jimmer's time in college
I feel his NBA career has been too short to judge him on that and I find it hard to believe that he lost his shot after coming to the NBA (unless he has the Douby syndrome; knock on wood)
SharkKings49 - February 1, 2012
Would anyone else get pleasant satisfaction
from giving Nate Robinson an upper cut to the face, you know, Doug Christie style?
Smills9133 - February 1, 2012
now its too late for that
but the next gsw-game is not far :) so break free
Schnuppermeister - February 1, 2012
Chauk one up for Mark Jackson
Smart said after the game,
I can’t tell you what he was thinking, but I thought that the biggest mistake was failing to go inside to the bigs in the 2nd half. For the last 7 minutes of the 3rd and all of the 4th, the Kings bigs made 1 basket in the paint. Hayes’ only basket of the game. DeMarcus, JT and JJ combined for 8 FT’s, although Cuz did hit 2 outside jumpers.
As much as the turnovers and failure to guard Rush and Wright beyond the arc (7 of 12) hurt, when the Kings needed a basket to stop GS’s run in the 4th, they failed to attack Udoh in the paint while Lee and Biedrins sat on the bench. If you eliminate the hail mary 3 at the end of the game, Tyreke still had 3 of his 4 missed 3pt shots in the 4th.
I don’t know if the Kings players are in shape to play 30 mpg, but only 2 GS Warriors played over 25 minutes and both of those were starters who sat out the 4th quarter. Tyreke on the other hand played 43:38, Cuz and Salmons played 36, and Thompson played over 30. Maybe that’s why they couldn’t keep up with the GS reserves down the stretch.
One thought that I had concerning Smarts rotations, Smart pulled all of his starters for about a 4 minute stretch at the end of the 3rd and start of the 4th. They were only outscored 4 to 2 during that stretch, but I didn’t like the idea of having almost zero scorers on the court. We had Hayes, JJ, Donte, Garcia and IT our five lowest scorers outside of Outlaw on the court at the same time.
HighTops - February 1, 2012
Um… chalk. Otherwise rec’d.
LeaguePassAddict - February 1, 2012
After all my posts I just realized that the spell checker doesn't work in the title
No excuse tho
HighTops - February 1, 2012
STR has spell check?
I could probably use it
SharkKings49 - February 1, 2012
Same old story. Coulda, Shoulda, Woulda,
but it’s ok, Tyreke almost had a triple double
SayWhat? - February 1, 2012
Yeah I keep reminding myself about the Spurs game
I thought Reke played like a veteran in that game, even though his shots weren’t falling. Point guard, point forward, I’m not concerned with the stats so much as Reke learning to pick his spots better as he gains experience. And yes it would sure help if his teammates would reward his good passes with MAKES.
blknblu - February 1, 2012
21 GODDAMN TURNOVERS!!!!
1damutt - February 1, 2012
Gifs on this page are perfect to describe the game.
SharkKings49 - February 1, 2012
Nate Robinson schooled his doppelganger
You could tell Nate was amped to take it to I.T. and he did.
dethtruk - February 1, 2012
Evans and Cousins with more big numbers, but
If you watched their highlights you wouldn’t know they were both on the court at the same time during that game. As usual, 1 on 5 basketball forcing up difficult shots.
dethtruk - February 1, 2012
Also
Have they decided on sticking with the black jerseys? I think they’ve been using them more than they intended. Not that I mind, I think it’s great (at least when they’re respecting the black and being scrappy), just wondering what the deal was.
HarveySpecter - February 1, 2012
12 games this year, 2 home games.
Aykis16 - February 1, 2012
Turning point in the game
was Rush hitting a bunch of 3’s while offensively we couldn’t get one easy look. Usually happens with undisciplined teams that suddenly one guy wants be the guy in a close game down the stretch. The ball gets very stagnant and a bunch of ugliness ensues. Coach Smart has got to harp on them until they overcome this.
RedHopeful - February 1, 2012
This is caused by the first major in-game coaching decision I have seen Smart make...
…when he stuck with the zone in the 4th, even when Rush kept getting open for those 3’s because of off screens.
Wonderchild - February 1, 2012
err...mistake, not decision
Wonderchild - February 1, 2012
At this point, I think we should have our best defender guard the other teams scrub.
That should stop about 10-30 points that the other team stumbles into. Deciding which scrub will kill us was a joke at first, but it’s strating to piss me off now. First we need to figure out who our “best defender” (or least crappy defender) is.
SharkKings49 - February 1, 2012
Cracking up over the Tyreke detractors
The best guard playing for either team last night was Tyreke Evans, and it wasn’t even close. Yes, 5 turnovers are too many, and yes, he made a few bad decisions along the way. But by the end of the game, he was a big reason why the Kings were still in the game, and in no way a reason why they lost it.
There were four Kings last night that were not responsible for the loss: Evans, Cousins, Thompson and Thomas. Each of these guys could have played a little better (9 turnovers for Evans/Cousins = way too many), or a lot worse. But the sucking chest wound that is our wing position (Salmons/Greene/Garcia), along with some coaching decisions that would have had everyone once again calling for Westphal’s head, were the primary causes for this loss.
section214 - February 1, 2012
You know what I've been bashing Salmons mercilessly
But he was hustling on defense last night.
blknblu - February 1, 2012
And what happened to Garcia?
Is it a lingering wrist injury thing – we sure need him to knock down wide open shots.
blknblu - February 1, 2012
GTFO of here with your logic!!!!
HeuristicLineup - February 1, 2012
the more I see JT in the starting lineup
the more I appreciate him.
Dub_TC - February 1, 2012
I agree JT is having a pretty good year. and I am happy with JJ
I have to admit and I am sure people will disagree but JT and JJ hustle and play hard they are scrappy and get after it. JJ may miss shots but when he takes them he is pretty open so I have no problem with that. JT is moving well and pushing people around. They both get off the floor and fight for everything. I do like Chuck and DMC but those two are both stuck to the ground. when you have to elevate and get athletic JJ and JT are getting things done.
1damutt - February 1, 2012
JJ does have a motor and athletic as hell
I’ll give him that. Unfortunately he has a bit of the Anthony Randolph disease
wallywagon11 - February 1, 2012
LOL tru dat tru dat
1damutt - February 1, 2012
What doesn't finish so well?
blknblu - February 1, 2012
no they noth are just sorta stupid looking
1damutt - February 1, 2012
not stupid looking
just a little too carefree with the ball in his hands
Often he looks like someone desperate to score immediately to fill up the stat sheet before a big contract. Other times times he just makes passes that make zero sense. And then there are the sweet nuggets like last night’s fantastic pass down low or when he doesn’t have to think with the ball and gets it right at the hoop or in an alley-oop and makes a terrific athletic play.
wallywagon11 - February 1, 2012
Noooo I meant they are both just sorta stupid looking
1damutt - February 1, 2012
Regarding JJ...
I said this in the game thread, but I have concluded that JJ catches the ball better with one hand than with two.
Wonderchild - February 1, 2012
both (noth)
1damutt - February 1, 2012
I love JT's motor
But I really really really really wish he’d learn to use the glass because he has NO touch or distance control on his shots at the rim.
blknblu - February 1, 2012
asking a guy who has no touch to learn how to use the glass
is kind of like having someone who failed alebra take calculas instead
wallywagon11 - February 1, 2012
???
You have a better chance of shot-putting a three foot bank shot than hoping it catches the edge of the rim and somehow bounces in.
blknblu - February 1, 2012
Im ok with his shooting
yes i do admit he isnt a great shooter but I am ok with when he is open within that 6-10 foot range shooting it. I wish he would jam it in people faces more but all in all I am more then happy with him on the team
1damutt - February 1, 2012
Love JT.
I think he’s still improving and you keep him around if you can.
blknblu - February 1, 2012
Of course
I think you keep JJ and JT unless you can get a sweet awesome trade. but those two may not get the stats or glory but they are doing the hard dirty work.
1damutt - February 1, 2012
I'm worried about JJ
He just isn’t that good, but I get the feeling he is the type of guy that wants big $$$. He has no connection to Sac and I can see him searching for the money. If this is the case, then I’m worried we match the contract and add K9/Salmons part3 (i guess if u add all the mistakes, then its probably part 20). At this point, I wish we would have signed Landry in the offseason after watching what JJ has done.
JT shouldn’t be a problem. He seems to like Sac and I don’t think teams will offer him anything too crazy. Plus, he seems like a better teammate that won’t try to force stats.
SharkKings49 - February 1, 2012
The only problem I have with JT's shots is that they are soft
he’s showing more lift with his new body, and I loved the Dennis Rodman imitation during the first quarter of the GS game. But, JT doesn’t have great hands and gets stripped easily. You need to throw it down strong young man. And stop crying to the ref when your weak ass shot gets stuffed.
HighTops - February 1, 2012
And hands like Mikki Moore
section214 - February 1, 2012
JJ's hands may not be perfect
but I can guarantee you that unlike Mikki Moore JJ can go into a Red Lobster without fainting in fear.
wallywagon11 - February 1, 2012
Yes, Tyreke was the best guard on the floor last night.
But down the stretch when we had made the game close, he was the only one who touched the ball on at least three posessions that I can recall, all three with disastrous results.
I don’t blame the loss on him, because when you don’t score for the first six minutes of the fourth quarter, it’s really tough to win a game. But his play toward the end of the game was atrocious, and Smart should have told him flat out that he needed to remember that there were four other guys in black on the floor with him.
LeaguePassAddict - February 1, 2012
Racist!
otis29 - February 1, 2012
Yeah that's exactly what I think Reke needs to work on the most.
blknblu - February 1, 2012
Reke needs to work on his racism?
wallywagon11 - February 1, 2012
Knew someone was gonna do that.
I heard he disrespects the NBA ballers from Luxemborg.
blknblu - February 1, 2012
lol, sorry there was no way I wasn't going to pass that up
wallywagon11 - February 1, 2012
New Nickname?
SavageBeast - February 1, 2012
LOL
otis29 - February 1, 2012
Tyreke is an ASSISTIST
ASSISTIST : when you pass up open shooters to drive to the hoop. hoping to go to your right hand on the same wild attempt to back flip the ball in while 5 defenders collapse down on you.
1damutt - February 1, 2012
It's the same thing that complained out with PW
There are times when we looked like a finely tuned machine. But when things tighten up we seem to stop playing any kind of offensive sets and just run around wildly. I don’t blame Smart because he has had precious little practice time with the team. This goes back to PW not instilling sets. But I’d still like to see us come out of the timeouts with a set play, we we don’t seem to do very often. We look like a talented bunch of kids playing street ball.
SavageBeast - February 1, 2012
yeah seems like when it tightens up (either we are running out of time for a comeback or we are loosing a lead)
Reke falls back into “Hey, I GOT THIS!” mode.
wallywagon11 - February 1, 2012
I think he also needs to work on his conditioning some more
Let’s be real, 44 minutes is a lot. He may have been mentally and physically spent.
otis29 - February 1, 2012
Excellent point
SavageBeast - February 1, 2012
lol
loosing
wallywagon11 - February 1, 2012
Wally needs an LPA, stat!
otis29 - February 1, 2012
Good catch
I heard LPA footsteps echoing closer. She already beat me for using too instead of two.
SavageBeast - February 1, 2012
I agree with this assessment
section214 - February 1, 2012
And Salmons at least was really good on defense
Aykis16 - February 1, 2012
Rec'd
But you aren’t letting that one go anytime soon, are ya?? :)
otis29 - February 1, 2012
Damn, two reply fails in two days!
/Noob
otis29 - February 1, 2012
The nerve of that damn Petrie character....
http://www.nba.com/rookie-ladder/
HeuristicLineup - February 1, 2012
Damn
We could have picked Ricky Rubio instead of Tyreke, or Kemba Walker, Marshon Brooks, Iman Shumpert, Brandon Knight or Kawhi Leonard if we’d just stayed in the #7 spot?
You’re right, this even brings Petrie’s draft performance into question. ;)
otis29 - February 1, 2012
Not sure if sarcasm, but I think about Rubio everytime we talk about Tyreke being a PG or not
I think he brings everything the Kings need and he has also had many near triple-doubles. Not that Tyreke is bad, I just don’t see why we try to make Tyreke into something that he isn’t when Rubio is already what we want. If we had Kobe or Iverson, we wouldn’t try to make them a PG responsible for setting up teammates (not that Tyreke is at their level). I’m not in the Fire Petrie camp, but this is the move that pisses me off more than the Salmons trade and I’m almost at the point where I want Petrie gone. Plus Rubio won a poll (on ESPN I think) that named Rubio the most exciting player (fan vote) over Lebron, Kobe, and Blake.
As for this draft, I wanted Jimmer until I saw we had the chance for Knight. The trade kinda pissed me off after seeing Knight fall (not that I expect Petrie to predict the future). So we missed Knight and got stuck with the fish.
That is all. I try to keep my Rubio opinions to the minimum and hope Tyreke proves me wrong.
SharkKings49 - February 1, 2012
Funny that Isaiah Thomas is ahead of Jimmer Freddette on that ladder
Widowwolf - February 1, 2012
Not surprising at all though
He started out much better, had a rough spot, and is playing pretty well. Fredette started off so poorly that it’s going to take a while to even out his numbers.
SavageBeast - February 1, 2012
Exactly
players whose games do not rely on their athleticism and quickness a lot usually take a bit longer to flourish.
Wonderchild - February 1, 2012
Agreed. But #60 in the top 10 is just very funny to me
Widowwolf - February 1, 2012
Well it ain't good. I'll give you that
SavageBeast - February 1, 2012
To clarify
It’s great that IT is in the top ten. Not good that Jimmer isn’t too.
SavageBeast - February 1, 2012
Jimmer was #10
IT was #9 though
Allbenji - February 1, 2012 via mobile
Only saw the first half
After a dominating first quarter, seemed like we got away from DMC. From what I remember, he was on the bench most of the 2nd quarter. Why didn’t we go to him in the 2nd half? Or did we? Just seemed like he was relatively quiet the rest of the way after a loud 1st quarter…
He had a couple of standout plays to me. In the first one, he made a series of moves with fakes and pivots and got a nice bucket out of it. The footwork was awesome. In the second move, he was a bit out of control going to the rim, but seemed to realize that if he remained out of control, he was going to get a charge, so he kind of awkwardly altered his momentum and ended up getting a bucket out of it. The bucket wasn’t the prettiest of things, but I liked his recognition on the play.
Hat tip to JT too. His moves around the rim have been solid and confident. Going to his left, he’s gotten very decent with his lefty hook/floater and his spin/drop step move going to his right has been solid as well.
outrider - February 1, 2012
Yeah getting the ball to Cousins more in the fourth quarter would be a good thing.
blknblu - February 1, 2012
You can see the sheer talent of Cousins
I swear it seems like he’s doing very little at times, but you look at his numbers and he’s filling the statsheet.
He’s still a bit lazy getting up and down the court and fighting for post position, and he needs to get stronger – but he’s crazy talented.
otis29 - February 1, 2012
I don't know if it's laziness or just fatigue
Aykis16 - February 1, 2012
Could very well be
His minutes are certainly starting to get consistently extended as well.
Nice to see his foul rate coming down – it’s equivalent to last season’s, but considerably better than it was three weeks ago.
otis29 - February 1, 2012
DeMarcus has been a huge bright spot.
FG%, Rebounding rate, steal rate, block rate, all up from last year, and his turnover and usage rates are down. He has a PER of 20.3, up from 14.3 last year. The only thing that hasn’t improved is his passing, which was phenomenal last year, mediocre to bad this year.
The last time the Kings had a rotation player with a PER of 20 or more, was Kevin Martin in 2007-08 at 21.0. DeMarcus is in just his second year. Lots of good things there.
Aykis16 - February 1, 2012
Evans did his rookie year as well
SPTSJUNKIE - February 1, 2012
Cousins is the one guy
that is miles above my expectations for this year. Thomas would be next.
section214 - February 1, 2012
If you just lowered you expectations...
The entire team would exceed them. :) Except Salmons. And Outlaw. Oh, and Whiteside.
The Crown Royal Gentleman - February 1, 2012
Isaiah gets an A+ for the year already
You don’t expect production from the last year in the draft usually ever, and he’s shown a lot of promise as a legit guard in this league for years to come. His shot needs to become more consistent and he needs to get more experience, but I’m very glad we have him.
It will be interesting to see who gets their minutes cut when Marcus comes back, Isaiah or Jimmer.
Aykis16 - February 1, 2012
I had Thomas wearing a suit for much of the year, and Cousins struggling in his sophomore year
I am a genius.
section214 - February 1, 2012
Cousins is well in front of the curve for a 2nd year big
Just imagine if he was a little less heavy in the legs.
But I still don’t know why, when the ball is being pushed and he’s trailing the play they keep having him stop at the 3 point line instead of moving straight to the basket. That can create so many opportunities.
He can always move back out if the play isn’t there.
lietothegirls - February 1, 2012
I like comparing Cousins to Monroe and Favors
I feel Cousins development and potential is way ahead of Favors. Cousins and Monroe are pretty equal today, but in the future I expect Cousins to be an allstar and Monroe to be a near allstar.
SharkKings49 - February 1, 2012
Monroe will be an All-star if he stays in Detroit.
The East is weak.
caseycheesecake - February 2, 2012
section214 - February 2, 2012
Obligatory
wallywagon11 - February 2, 2012
Nice!
SPTSJUNKIE - February 2, 2012
Yep
The dude’s still a work in progress, but you can see the pieces starting to come together for him which is cool to see. He’s an emotional guy and i know that that’s a dual edged sword, but I like that the guy has some fire to his personality, especially playing alongside I, Robots Tyreke and Salmons. If he can continue to improve his game and can channel his emotion in to killing whoever is guarding him instead of killing himself, we will have that 20-10 force on our team doing work on a nightly basis.
Or so I hope!
outrider - February 1, 2012
amen
Seemed that Cousins was killing the Warriors, didn’t he have 12 points after 1 quarter, then it felt like he was forgotten. Its really frustrating to watch Evans start hoisting shots and he is 1-6, 2-7 and you are seeing the off balance fall back jumper, surely there is a better way.
I’d suggest other teams would run the same offense until the Warriors stopped them, the Nuggets last week surely last week did.
Loved JTs efforts early on
Murf - February 1, 2012
He did have 12 after the 1st
Then he got a long rest for most of the second. After that I don’t know because I didn’t see it. From what I recollect, his buckets in the 1st were of the “this dude can’t guard me” variety, so I was a bit surprised he got such a long rest in the 2nd. And as I mentioned, i don’t know what went on in the 2nd half.
outrider - February 1, 2012
Petrie's Biggest Mistake
…was letting Udrih go. Forget about defense and the L column (which seems counter-intuitive) but just his leadership ability and other intangibles are really missed. And not to mention Jimmer would actually have someone he could relate to. You can’t ignore the dynamics of race in a social group (didn’t Petrie go to Harvard?).
mrosado - February 1, 2012
Petrie went to Princeton
And if you are inferring that Fredette’s struggles are tied to the fact that he is white, I strongly disagree.
section214 - February 1, 2012
You know I was so anxious to respond
I didn’t read the last sentence. Yeesh.
blknblu - February 1, 2012
Oh no
Beno and Tyreke seemed to form some type of bond. It just sucks to be the only white guy on the team.
mrosado - February 1, 2012
It's OK -
We have Hassan Whiteside.
section214 - February 1, 2012
Wait White-side
Is this some kind of racial comment too? You are so tricky Section.
SavageBeast - February 1, 2012
I'm a cunning linguist
section214 - February 1, 2012
section214 - February 1, 2012
how is this not green?
MichaelMack - February 1, 2012
Haha
You got me before I admitted my comment was just an over dramatized response to losing Beno and games. But you’re right, we have Whiteside.
mrosado - February 2, 2012
Absolutely agree with Section
The idea that players can only relate to players of their own race is so totally ridiculous as to be laughable if it wasn’t so insulting.
SavageBeast - February 1, 2012
Don't miss Beno
Wish him well but do not miss him.
blknblu - February 1, 2012
oh I do
compared to what we have on the team now, he was clutch. I think people forget how good he was at times last year.
Dub_TC - February 1, 2012
Meh.
blknblu - February 1, 2012
Beno was obviously undervalued
That little 9 foot jumper in the lane that he always hit was nasty!
BTW, anyone else feel like 6-15 is just an ugly number??
gregory l - February 1, 2012
That stop and pop was beautiful
And the only way he could create his own shot. He’s not really an NBA starter.
blknblu - February 1, 2012
Who would rather have Salmons than Beno now?
Of course, everyone on this board was saying that when the trade went down. Too bad our GM didn’t have that sort of insight.
gregory l - February 1, 2012
Of all the Kings current players and their moves
Beno’s 9-12 ft pull up jumper in the lane was the best “get a bucket now” move on the roster. Period. No one on our current roster has a go to weapon like this. As soon as Reke or DMC develop something like this, a stop another team’s run type of bucket, the Kings will continue to struggle.
Tom A~! - February 1, 2012
I'd love to see Jimmer do more of that
He gets in trouble when he drives to the hoop. But He’s had a couple of really nice little pull up jumpers. When you show that move enough you get more open under the hoop because guards have to respect the pull up shot. It would also help open up Evans if he can pull it off. But what I really love to see Evans do is when he drives and finishes if there is room or passes to the open man if he isn’t. When Evan’s takes it to the hoop, defenses collapse in a hurry. he needs to take advantage of that more and the open guys need to hit their shot more.
SavageBeast - February 1, 2012
Yeah that pass to Jimmer for the three from under the hoop was nice.
blknblu - February 1, 2012
He had one just like it to IT late in the 4th quarter too
It’s almost unstoppable because teams have to collapse of Tyreke just slices and dices them.
SavageBeast - February 1, 2012
Yep.
blknblu - February 1, 2012
wasn't that JT making that pass?
Murf - February 1, 2012
Agreed
Kills me when he dribbles into a lane.
mrosado - February 1, 2012
Yeah I expect the Heat to trade for him any week now.
blknblu - February 1, 2012
Beno is having a terrible year
and looks really out of shape.
Was it post-trade depression? Anywa, the Beno from the last two years would have helped us win a few more games, no doubt in my mind.
A few.
lietothegirls - February 1, 2012
Just got married and thought there would be no basketball for a long time
then proceeded to get injured when camp started
wallywagon11 - February 1, 2012
You picked up on don.t throw the ball to the white boy
At times Jimmer is wide open on the wing and reke drives makes eye contact and puts up a shot between 4 defenders. I,ve seen that happen more than a few times. Thorton also has done the same thing. I hope its a reflection of their disapproval of all the hype behind jimmers sighning and not racial. But it is obvious at times.
rbk84 - February 1, 2012
STR is racist because we can only write in black text
HeuristicLineup - February 1, 2012
Not true at all. In fact here's what I really think written completely in white text
SavageBeast - February 1, 2012
Son of a gun your right!
STR is racist. They deleted my white diatribe
SavageBeast - February 1, 2012
wow, interesting
apparantly Reke is not only dumb but a racist. Gee, this speaks well of you.
wallywagon11 - February 1, 2012
With all due respect,
this is the biggest crock of steaming shit that I have seen on this site in a very long time.
With all due respect.
section214 - February 1, 2012
BUT
What if there is little respect due? That statement is beyond the pale.
MichaelMack - February 1, 2012
Oh shit, I just turned this comment green.
It’s gonna get constantly shunned by the other comments, and delve into a deep depression with no other green comments around.
Shizzo - February 2, 2012
And nobody will throw it the ball.
So sad.
LeaguePassAddict - February 3, 2012
Chad Ford takes aim at the Maloofs in this AM's chat, can't say I disagree with any of it.
Jeremy H (Minneapolis)
How do guys like Geoff Petrie keep their jobs? I thought being a Meteorologist is the only profession where you can continuously get things wrong but keep your job…….
Chad Ford (1:26 PM)
Didn’t you read the Maloof interview? He’s like family to the Kings. You don’t fire family, no matter how badly the screw it up for everyone else. That is great family advice by the way. It’s also why hiring family is such a bad idea in business.
John B (Sac, CA)
Is there any hope for Sacramento in the next two to 3 years besides staying in Sacramento? Any players besides Cousins with decent trade value? My koolaid is running low.
Chad Ford (1:32 PM)
Didn’t you read the Maloof interview, John? For the eighth straight year, they’re thrilled with the direction the team is going. The Maloof’s are gamblers. Guess they really do love the lottery.
gregory l - February 1, 2012
We've all seen how the team tends to react to a close game
We start walking the ball up the court and not getting into our offense until the defenses are completely set just as the opponents want it.
I counted at least six possssions late that the ball wasn’t near the 3 pt line at the 12 second (or less) mark on the shot clock.
If Tyreke is gassed, as he seemed to be on some of those later possessions, get the f-ing ball out of your hands earlier!
lietothegirls - February 1, 2012
I wouldn't be surprised if this wasn't the mistake that Smart said he made.
Although without Thronton, Evans may have to continue to play extended minutes.
HighTops - February 1, 2012
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