As we all know by now, during the TNT broadcast of Kings-Thunder on Thursday -- while many of us were screaming our heads off inside the gym -- Cheryl Miller, Reggie Miller and then Chris Webber misstated some facts about last week's City Council vote to deny a public vote on the parking revenue funding plan. Kevin Johnson tried to correct them, and Webber ended up seeming legitimately confused, but if you were an NBA fan watching the telecast with no knowledge of the actual situation here, you would likely have walked away believing that it was a done deal: the Kings were leaving Sacramento.
We know that's not true. There are a series of votes coming up that will determine whether the funding plan is workable, and negotiations with the league and AEG continue to round out the full menu of financing. The vote last Tuesday was narrowly a positive: the gasps came from the narrow margin, not the result itself. That's what Webber, Miller and their producers missed.
But here's the thing: it doesn't matter.
Grant Napear went on a rampage on Webber and TNT yesterday, culminating in an interview with Webber that ended poorly (to say the least). All of that negative energy produced by both of them could have been better used inciting some positive action. Webber doesn't have a time machine. He made a mistake on the air, but he cannot erase it, and saying something next Tuesday on NBA TV or on Twitter or next Thursday on TNT isn't going to undo anything.
But no real damage was done. Who cares if folks in Tulsa are confused about the Sacramento arena situation? Hell, a member of the Sacramento City Council is clearly confused about the Sacramento arena situation. This is what is important. Making sure those nine voters who will determine the fate of the Railyards, the largest undeveloped infill property in the country, know what's going on is important.
Grant does what he does. I just wish there would be less spittle and more push toward positive action. He has a ton of listeners who could be firing off emails to City Council instead of firing off angry text messages about C-Webb.
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totally agree
who cares that they got it wrong? As long as Sacramento really has a shot at an arena, which they do, that’s all that matters. I will get angry when I hear that they’re leaving, and only then.
Dub_TC - February 11, 2012
This led the 10:00 news last night.
Fans are apparantly outragged, and Webber is a volatile person according to Jim Crendal.
Moving on now.
Crocoduck - February 11, 2012
The 10:00 news? You mean the same guys who tell us breathlessly about
murders, violent crime, traffic accidents and fires while telling us almost nothing about what state and local government is actually doing that matters? I see a pattern here. I agree, let’s move on now.
blknblu - February 11, 2012
Crandall's an ass.
His tweets the night of the vote were so ambiguous that they gave the impression that any ESC deal was dead. Plus that bush league practical “joke” he did in the midst of all of the Anaheim move talk last spring. Too many little men in the media who think they’re more than they are.
andy sims - February 11, 2012
The sad thing is
you only mentioned two things he did in what is becoming a string of idiotic/assholish moves
prowseinthehouse - February 11, 2012
I have to be someplace Monday morning, so I didn't want to dump the complete list.
andy sims - February 11, 2012
Listened to the interview live...
…and honestly both Chris and Grant completely blew everything out of proportion. Even after CWebb handled that call the way he did I still find it hard to get pissed at him due to him giving us national attention and rooting for us to keep the Kings.
That should never have been the focus of the call, what Grant should have done was focus on the win and the way the Kings played and given CWebb an update on how the arena process was going, end of story. Now you got all these idiots hating on Webber when he’s clearly the only analyst on TNT that gives Sacramento any love.
No apology is needed from TNT or from Reggie or Cheryl, who gives a shit if they got their facts mixed up. The only thing that matters is that we get our new arena and focus on getting to the playoffs.
Priorities people, sheesh!
LaPrimeraLives - February 11, 2012
Disagree. Sports media is still media.
TNT has a duty to report the facts. If they fuck that up they have, like any other media outlet, a duty to run a correction.
folsomfella - February 11, 2012 via mobile
Did they not give updated info after KJ spoke to CWebb?
LaPrimeraLives - February 11, 2012
I thought I heard people say they corrected themselves
I didn’t hear it since I was at the game, but I find it hard to be that mad at Webber. He has tried to help us a lot and it seems like all of TNT had the same 1 mistake (that has no impact on the arena).
I listened to the Grant vs Webber clip and even then I don’t blame Webber much. Grant is a known douche and if I were Webber and Grant came on like that my first assumption would be Grant is trying to go off on me. IMO, Webber has done way more for the Kings and Sac than Grant ever can/will do.
SharkKings49 - February 11, 2012
Im tired of Grant getting blog raped!
Grant asked the question we all wanted to know the answer to. No matter how hard or tough the question is that is his job as a reporter. If he hadn’t we all would be saying he was soft and didnt want CWebb to look bad.
If Grant hadnt asked that question he would have lost all credibility as a reporter. Now I know you all will say Grant has no credibility. but lets be honest we all know that Grant has always reported the truth and has done his homework on issues. If Grant was to say something we all no matter if we like him or not trust him for these reasons. If you dont like Grant because he gets a little rough with callers well some of you callers are idiots and some of the questions that are asked are just dumb. And if you are angry with Grant thats fine as well because remember this people. “AN ANGRY LISTENER IS AN ACTIVE LISTENER” meaning angry listeners call the show, angry listeners want to be heard, angry listeners stay tuned in. This is the reason why you hear the same people call in time and time again that get Grant riled up. And we like it! thats why we tune in to Grants Rants.
Now CWebb, R.Miller and CMiller even though they are past players are now given the trust of being reporters and as such have a duty to get their facts straight. If they dont they should take the very next chance they get to correct themselves. If they don’t they lose all credibility. Grant asked the question which we all wanted to know the answer to. Cwebb hung up and didnt even give Grant a chance to explain the facts. CWebb hung up even though Grant begged him not to repeatedly when CWebb hung up he made things worse. I Love C Webb and he has done a lot for the Kings Organization and Sacramento in regards to keeping the Kings but dont kid yourself Grant Napier and C.Dave give you a voice. 1140 KHTK gives you a voice and that is the most powerful thing.
1damutt - February 11, 2012
Holy cow
This is nonsense.
otis29 - February 11, 2012
whats nonsense about it
1damutt - February 11, 2012
I agree, Grant was just trying to get the answer we all wanted. The answer is, Webber failed to prepare by not knowing the facts. Inexcusable for him to not know given his Sacramento connection
dspohn55 - February 11, 2012 via mobile
I think Otis is referring is referring to the many times Grant has not his homework on an issue
wallywagon11 - February 11, 2012
Yes I think that is what he is trying to get at and that is why I am asking him "what is nonsense about it"
Basicly tell me 1 time Grant was off base. because a lot of people bash on him and I really dont see why
1damutt - February 11, 2012
Well, since you asked ...
How about the time he blasted Kevin Johnson last spring for saying the Kings were more likely to leave then stay in Sac? And about how he was an idiot for not keeping quite in public about it? Yeah, really understood what was going on there didn’t he?
wallywagon11 - February 11, 2012
Oh
and the time he blasted Kevin Johnson and Steven Cohen for suggesting the city continue with the feasability study for an arena even if the Kings were possibly leaving? Yeah, really understood the issues there didn’t he?
wallywagon11 - February 11, 2012
Or questioning Kevin Martin's sitting out when he actually had a broken wrist?
Or questioning Bobby Jackson’s toughness?
otis29 - February 11, 2012
Oh
and the time Martin hurt his wrist in the fourth game of the 2009-10 season when considered sitting out the fifth game while team doctors worked to ascertain what was wrong with his wrist and Grant Napear took the airwaves to say that fans could definitely call Martin soft if he sat. Probably didn’t really undrestand the issues at the time nor when it was discovered Martin had a broken wrist but Napear went on about how so long as a player isn’t in danger of causing more damage to himself, he should play.
wallywagon11 - February 11, 2012
Oh
and the time he said that Bobby Jackson was faking an injury when he was in fact injured
wallywagon11 - February 11, 2012
OK...
how about aside from all of those examples?
I’m not sure what caught me more off guard – that someone would try to defend Grant’s body of work, or that someone would equate the anti-Grant comments to rape. Amazing.
section214 - February 11, 2012
Oh
and how about the whole “The Maloofs are fine financially everyone who suggests otherwise is an idiot” remarks. A bit off base.
wallywagon11 - February 11, 2012
Sam Amick himself, a REAL reporter
Told me after Black Thursday that the general consensus in the league is that the Maloof’s do not have money. And that they probably would not have the money to pay the lease up front for the new ESC.
Therefore under Grant’s terms, Sam Amick would be an idiot. That sounds about right…
ina_118 - February 11, 2012
because a lot of people bash on him and I really dont see why
because reporters should make it about the subject they are reporting on and not about their own views?
Skeptic con Urquell - February 12, 2012
he's not a reporter skep
wallywagon11 - February 12, 2012
he's not a reporter
call him what you want but I don’t see Jim Barnett having these kind of problems with players or facts. Barnett works quietly in the background letting his knowledge clarify the story not try to dominate it.
Skeptic con Urquell - February 12, 2012
Ok fair enough I asked for 1 and you gave me a few.
But let me ask you this, what would you define Grants job as?
1damutt - February 12, 2012
Oh wait, I asked otis for 1. but that is not important
what is more important that I was trying to get at is that if you agree or disagree with me thats cool. We all have differing opinions. but what I hate is when somebody just says “Holy Cow this is nonsense” and then doesnt give any support to his reason or argument.
1damutt - February 12, 2012
Sorry you hate my rebuttal
It got the response that it was worth IMO.
The last sentence makes very little sense – it appears you are implying that “we all” trust him because he does his homework. You change those two words to “a few” and I might agree with you.
Grant is not credible. Grant will very rarely criticize ownership, management or coaching. He will not separate his work as an employee for the Kings with his work on his talk show. He will not bite the hand that feeds him, making him clearly biased.
These are the facts. Sorry you don’t agree.
otis29 - February 13, 2012
nice try grant napear...
Mechanical Shift - February 11, 2012 via mobile
No they didn't, at least none that I heard.
If you mean Reggie saying KJ was a politician and was putting a positive spin on the information, then he only made the matter worse, imo, by discrediting the Mayor.
If you mean C-Webb’s statement that he essentially maintained the same view (following KJ’s explanation) believing the Kings had little chance of remaining in Sacramento, from his understanding of the facts (I am paraphrasing), then that wasn’t too useful either.
Slam_Dunk - February 11, 2012
Oh I forgot
we need all opinions now to be postive towards what we like. Need to poop more rainbows and sunshine apparantly
wallywagon11 - February 11, 2012
Reggie came very close to calling Mayor Johnson a liar.
I expect journalists to be responsible in reporting. If you call that a need to poop rainbows and sunshine, then I think you missed the point.
Slam_Dunk - February 11, 2012
sorry my comment was actually meant to be on your second paragraph
wallywagon11 - February 11, 2012
Agree w/ folsom... TNT should have been more prepared
The Millers and Webber are athletes, not professional media
Back in the day, the guys on the air knew how to line up the facts and present them correctly. Now, they’re just reading what’s been given to ’em and they have to trust it as so
Shame on TNT
Screamer - February 11, 2012
Of course they're professional media!
They are on television reporting a live event, even if it is sports. Television is a medium. They are paid to be on television reporting from a live event. That is the very definition of professional.
They used to be professional athletes. Now they’re professional media.
andy sims - February 11, 2012
I agree
Boulevard nights?
FiveRivers - February 11, 2012 via mobile
Positive Reaction
It would have been nice if Grant and Webb could have worked it out on air, but whatever. I agree that when you consider the big picture, and that it was maybe 2 minutes of the telecast, it didn’t really matter.
I will say this though, Sacramento is at its best when it’s backs are against the wall. More casual fans watched Thursday nights game than any other game this season. I like the perception that this team is on the brink of leaving. I think that is what get’s people who wouldn’t normally be involved, involved.
I think that game in general was a step in the right direction. The team played well. The crowd was awesome. And it was KJ, Sacramento’s mayor, against this big media types of TNT. Shaq said during the halftime show that OKC was going to win. Reggie said KJ was putting a ‘political spin’ on the parking vote. Even the hometown boy Cwebb talked about how scared he was.
KJ can use this. The classic ‘no one believes in us’ thing. He can go to these other council members with some ammo now. Everyone is saying where already gone. That type of stuff.
I like a little anger. A lot of Kings fans are mad now. Channel that into work, and the council meeting on the 14th could be something special.
Xypteras - February 11, 2012
Reggie blew it
Well written TZ. The part that really chaps my ass is Reggie accused Kevin Johnson of being a politician and “spinning it”. One thing to be totally unprepared on the air, but to continue to be ignorant even after mayor KJ corrected Cheryl Miller was unforgivable.
dspohn55 - February 11, 2012 via mobile
Rec
kromeace - February 11, 2012
KJ also corrected Webber
After half-time Webber said he had a side conversation with KJ and that they had it wrong. That the vote had not gone against an arena.
At that point Reggie said he would stick by his earlier position that it would be wrong to take the team from Sacramento.
I agree that what Reggie initially said was pretty damned bad, but at least they did clarify it a bit.
CowbellKings - February 11, 2012
I just found it humorous
It was like they were saying, “I am completely ignorant on this topic but I going to spit out an opinion anyways”. It’s hard to give a professional opinion when your basic facts are off base.
I was disappointed that C-Webb didn’t know the facts because he’s a King. That hurt a little bit but I can’t say I’m really angry. I feel he does care about the Kings staying in Sacramento even if he’s not in tune with the day to day developments. Miller’s comments bother me less because he’s not part of the community. It doesn’t really matter what he thinks. And come on, this is TNT we are talking about. They hired Shaq, how responsible to you expect them to be?
Having said that, I agree that all of it doesn’t really matter. It’s for the people in Sacramento to take care of and nobody else is going to help or hurt the situation.
abasketballfan - February 12, 2012
I very much disagree.
I know it has no impact on the deal getting done, but I think it was a very poor mistake and not one I’ll just “forget about”.
It was our lone appearance on national tv, and while the important things happened (the team won, and you guys who went killed it with you fan adoration) having three (the two Millers and Webber) folks in the broadcast team get it do utterly wrong, and to even accuse KJ of “spinning” it… It was our lone national TV appearance. The lone chance to fully get our message out there. Most of it did get out, but TNT bungling the facts was very sad and not so easily forgettable.
Now the Webber thing… Honestly, this is coming from a Grant disliker/Webber lover, and while Grant coulda done without his normal “I’m better than you” tone, I don’t think his question was out of bounds, and I think Webbers explosion was just off base.
Just my opinion. I don’t think it’ll have a perminant effect on the arena push, and that is what’s important, as Ziller said. But it isn’t just something I’ll shrug off.
LightningStrike5 - February 11, 2012 via mobile
I agree with you, Lightning
The ‘Hear We Stay’ movement has been ALL about public support and awareness; indeed, it’s been a call to arms to counteract the ingnorant negativity surround the ESC.
It’s primary methods have been staying in front of the public eye and making the issue as visible as possible – occupying counsel meetings, e-mailing city officials, even creating signs and cheers for the (freakin’ awesome) TNT game the other night.
We have tried so hard in so may ways to keep the new arena plan alive and moving forward, and all it takes is some self important, clueless D-Bags on national television to take away some (even a little) of our hard earned mojo.
This doesn’t affect the process for the true lovers of both the Kings and the city of Sacramento, but it can affect public opinion.
And this is what the whole ‘Here We Stay’ has been rallying hard to influence for the benefitof both those entities.
Rant over…
batso - February 11, 2012
I wont shrug it off either
Yes we won and thats important. But As I tuned into the final minutes of Laker Game ready dressed in all black to root for the Kings the 1 thing we didnt want to happen did. Laker overtime. TNT could have waited 7 minutes it took to end the Laker Game. Knowing how important it was to us but they didnt. They bashed us all telecast saying that we we only doing good to get up for them TNT and being on national tv and then they continued to allow Shaq and the rest to continue to disparage us and our talented team. only C Barkley stated he would hate for Sac to lose the Kings. Shaq stated that he wanted DMC to go 20-20 maybe he didnt notice the last 6 games when he was doing just that. they fail to mention that the Kings have a better record then 5 other teams in the East.
Hopefully we can continue to roll forward with our love and passion. Hopefully our boys will continue to play great ball and make TNT eat those words like every NFL analyzer had to do on Tebow
1damutt - February 11, 2012
TNT doesn't control the tome the game starts
The NBA does the NBA already makes a concession on thursdaynogjy starting that game at 10:30 eastern usually instead of 10. If you want to get pissed at some one for starting the game then get mad at the NBA.
Lotusprime - February 11, 2012 via mobile
Shaq stated that he wanted DMC to go 20-20 maybe he didnt notice the last 6 games when he was doing just that.
Shaq meant that he thinks Demarcus can do that. It’s high praise from the Man.
Skeptic con Urquell - February 12, 2012
Credit to Wally
As he said basically the same thing in the discussion during the game and in the postgame threads.
If I could offer a somewhat different opinion, I think this minor public relations snafu is very possibly a net positive for Sacramento if you take the long view.
All it does is make the mythology stronger, make the climb that the ESC process has been seem all the more steep and treacherous, and frankly, it has been quite a climb just to get to this point. I think there needs to be recognition that there has already been a huge amount of hard work put in by the community, HereWeStay/ThinkBig, Kings fans, the mayor, the league, the city council and the dozens and dozens of supporters in Northern California and all over the country who have tirelessly fought for well over a year now to keep our Sacramento Kings in Sacramento. Their hard work is the true testament to the spirit of this community, and it shows that when we fight for what we believe in, we can do great and difficult things, no matter what the naysayers and the uninformed say.
The battle is not over yet, and while I feel we are winning, Carmichael Dave is right when he says that until the first shovel goes in the ground, we need to keep up the fight, write letters and/or call our council representatives, and do everything we can to make sure this dream (which can seem so difficult and elusive at times) becomes reality.
And when we finally come to that mountaintop, we can look down over Jordan and say, “Now — let’s go get us an NBA championship.”
sj60615 - February 11, 2012
I like what you are saying
Let’s use this incident as a catalyst to make the last push necessary to the get this done. Sacramento was written off before by national media. Two to three weeks before season end it seemed about 80 to 90% certain the Kings were gone. Sacramento rallied then, and now it is time to do it again.
I have to say I am disappointed in C-Webb, though. At one point he said It will take a “miracle for the Kings to stay”. Really Chris? If Webb had even a 5 minute conversation with Mayor Johnson before the game, I don’t know he comes to the conclusion or makes this statement. This was an opportunity for Chris to say on national stage that Sacramento fought and gained one year reprieve and are now near the finish line to save the team, promoting further momentum and goodwill.
Instead, he put his foot in his mouth. And the defensive posture and self-righteous attitude with Peaches, hanging up like a brat, gives us insight into why he does not have a permanent position with the Kings as an assistant coach.
bench_blob - February 11, 2012
It's easy to see how they made the mistake
Anyone who just quickly glanced about coverage of the “fail” vote could have easily misconstrued this information as “Sacramento failed to keep the Kings”.
convoy - February 11, 2012
It can only be misconstrued until you ask the question "What was that vote for?"
otis29 - February 11, 2012
It was a vote to put the primary funding mechanism for the ESC up for public approval.
Unless you’ve been following the process, or have someone to put context to that, it could be very easy to see that as being a negative.
AngryTree - February 11, 2012
Disagree
otis29 - February 11, 2012
How so?
Some people believe that if we put it to a public vote, that would work in our favor, because surely the lovely voters of Sacramento wouldn’t want their team to leave.
At least that’s the perspective that some people have nationwide, especially if they live in larger markets that have little to no concept of what it’s like to lose a professional sports team. To some others it’s even as simple as “if the fans cared, they’d stay”. The same type of people that blame Sonics fans for the departure of their team, when we’re all fully aware that both that situation and ours are far less simplistic than that.
jveezy - February 11, 2012
I just don't think it's that complicated, to be honest
To be really honest, the vote itself was pretty trivial as there are bigger issues coming. TNT probably shouldn’t have even mentioned it.
If they needed to mention it, they could have said “you cleared a minor hurdle in a city council vote the other day, where do things stand currently?”.
otis29 - February 11, 2012
I'm with you
If they asked they would have gotten the answer that the vote to put the parking issue on the June ballot failed and the City Council is going to vote on the RFP 2/28
ElRonToro - February 11, 2012
This.
This would have been a MUCH, much better way of handling the issue.
Slam_Dunk - February 11, 2012
When asking the queston what the vote was for can misconstrue more
If a outsider asked what the vote was for “for the people of Sacramento to vote on if they want money to go to a new arena” and then to tell that outsider that vote failed to pass would actually make it sound like that we didnt want the stadium. so in all honesty it would be real easy to get that confused if asked
1damutt - February 11, 2012
it wasnt his fault they all had been misinformed
I was pissed at first, but its not his fault. He could have said more about the situation when he tried to clear themselves up, or when the mayor corrected them, or been more informed about the whole situation, yea.. but its still not his fault, I still love Chris Webber, I would love him more if he donated some money towards the arena. Wishful thinking.
Chent - February 11, 2012 via mobile
If possible, could someone spell out exactly the steps of Kings staying?
How will it work, in order of events? First, council vote to allow building an Arena?
Also, noticed that TNT screwed up arena issue and didn’t know what was up with the team. Seemed like producers telling announcers that they wanted to present a certain type of story, and they stuck to it. And I think it’s lame if Miller, Webb, etc. didn’t do their homework.
amonk81 - February 11, 2012
Steps to victory
1. Next Tuesday City Council votes to move forward with Requests for Proposals from parking companies, amid huge throng of arena supporters at the meeting.
2. KJ meets with Stern at All-Star weekend, able to tell stern that the parking plan is moving forward and they expect to have a winning bid of around $____ million, updates him on timeline for parking plan to be finalized with actual winning bid.
3. Stern announces that relocation deadline has been extended until after the season to allow parking plan to become finalized.
4. KJ, Stern, and AEG agree to term sheet that outlines public contribution (mostly from the parking), AEG contribution, offer from NBA to front chunk of money to avoid bond sales and get construction started.
5. Highest bid from parking company comes in well above expectations, making finalizing of term sheet even easier (not necessary, but gravy).
6. Tom Ziller hosts open-bar victory party for all StR members. Live dance gifs.
7. Kings commit to 30-year lease.
8. Maloofs sell to Burkle.
9. ASSN buys small parcel of railyards land near arena site.
10. ?
11. Profit.
AnotherStupidSN - February 11, 2012
Beautiful!
otis29 - February 11, 2012
I do believe that step #11 is "Kings win 5 championships"
LightningStrike5 - February 11, 2012
That's step #10.
richie88 - February 12, 2012
Its no big deal
But in fact there was exactly 1 story for ESPN duh duh duh duh duh duh to cover about Sac. 1. They didn’t devote any time to getting the facts. Epic fail.
ElRonToro - February 11, 2012
Simply brilliant. This was an example of an Epic Fail.
Slam_Dunk - February 11, 2012
Really disappointed
The whole crew was so utterly wrong, and I considered C-Webb our representative for that National broadcast considering his status here and how much he vouched for this city last year. No it won’t have any effect on the ESC situation, but it’s his job to do all the research necessary to make sure he represented us properly. C-Webb isnt an athlete anymore, he’s part of the media, and bad reporting deserves to be called out, not just pushed aside. Did Grant go a little overboard with his rant yesterday? Maybe, but he did ask C-Webb a valid question, and Webb turned it into a “Look what I’ve done for you” speech and went as far as disregarding his mistakes completely, when this entire situation would have ended with a simple apology accompanied with an explanation on how he got his information. Again, this isn’t all his fault, but I’m really disappointed and saddened in how he handled it yesterday
monsterlxe - February 11, 2012
IT DOES MATTER
“But here’s the thing: it doesn’t matter.”
STOP SAYING THAT.
As I mentioned in a different thread yesterday, you need to offer clarity as to what issue you’re referring to when you make such a statement. You need to qualify the statement. Try something like this…
But here’s the thing: it doesn’t matter (in terms of helping or hurting our effort to get a new arena deal in place).
But in terms of reporting professionalism – IT DOES MATTER.
Stop. Stop. Stop confusing issues.
Darren King - February 11, 2012
If I cared so about such trivial screw-ups on national sports broadcasts I would be writing 8 letters a day. So yes, I do think it is utterly meaningless and all it does is create a lot of unnecessary fire and rage with nowhere to go but bad locally.
It does deserve a correction absolutely. It doesn’t deserve an apology. And a disc jockey who calls out players for not playing hurt when he has no idea of the particulars and who just ranted for two hours about how much of a screw up you are and how horrible you are at your job probably isn’t the guy who is going to get either a correction or an apology from you and quite frankly might not act very professional with you.
Sacramento deserves better than Grant but hey he doesn’t give a shit about anything so long as his ratings are high.
wallywagon11 - February 11, 2012
I dunno wally, I generally agree with your take on most things
But I’m not a huge fan of telling people what they should or shouldn’t care about. You don’t care? Cool. Someone else cares and wants to rant about it? That’s their right, and it doesn’t necessarily prevent them from also focusing on what’s important.
It’d be like someone coming into your fantasy basketball thread and saying “what the hell are you wasting your time on this for? There’s stuff you could be doing about the arena!”
otis29 - February 11, 2012
You may have a point on that
But I’ll say this (and yes I may be wrong): it sure seems like people want an apology here not just a correction. Maybe I am reading that wrong. And in regards to Grant’s show, you aren’t getting either a correction or an apology from someone in that situation. So I’ll leave it at that.
wallywagon11 - February 11, 2012
derp derp
and yes, I do feel strongly that an apology is not needed (but again could be incorrect on whether that is what people are really fishing for)
wallywagon11 - February 11, 2012
Yeah, the genie's pretty much out of the bottle on this one
Ultimately, the most damage done is probably a bump to our inferiority complex. :)
otis29 - February 11, 2012
Our "inferiority complex" is so strong
Because we know how poorly understood our region is, and that the supposed “inferiority” is a fabrication of the Bay Area and Los Angeles regions. 90% + of our country, if given the chance to take in the entire Sacramento region, would not have the word “inferior” coming to their lips by the end of the trip.
That is what makes these national television appearances so difficult to stomach at times…talk about a small sample size (i.e. you can’t expect a national TV audience to learn much about a region from a 3 hour basketball program)!
There is a fine line between bitterness and defiance. I like to think that most of us here are in the latter camp.
RJinFairOaks - February 11, 2012
Well said.
AnotherStupidSN - February 11, 2012
Bitterness v. Defiance
I can do both.
andy sims - February 11, 2012
Yeah, I personally didn't feel particularly disappointed with the TNT stuff because I wasn't really looking for them to do our talking for us.
I felt like the crowd spoke for itself as far as how much hope we still have, and I feel like my confidence in KJs ability to play this whole thing the right way makes me totally unconcerned with how TNT, ESPN, Saucy Youngfellow, or anyone else portrays the situation. I thought KJ was clear in his response to Cheryl that the vote was a positive for the arena and we’re moving forward, and if the TNT crew and any number of viewers were confused and/or skeptical about that, they could easily inform themselves or they could go on being skeptical and confused and it wouldn’t matter one bit as to whether this thing gets done or not
I also agree with sj60615 above that, if anything, this all kind of adds to the mythology of the whole thing. If there are more doubters now because of how things went down on the telecast the other night, that’s just more doubters to prove wrong. The fans, Mayor Johnson, and a lot of other people are busting their asses to get this thing done, and any misunderstanding by people outside of the process has zero effect on it. Let them say it’ll take a miracle, and let them call us miracle workers when we make it happen.
AnotherStupidSN - February 11, 2012
It really does matter.
I’d say a good number of people who watched Thursday contest on TNT were Sacramento fans, who suddenly hear from Webber that “it’ll take a miracle”?
Enough confusing information is floating around, that this only makes it worse. Obviously, people in Sacramento are already really confused about everything, and with the Seattle/Anaheim shit popping up, we need THE REAL INFORMATION to get out there.
Now, is it more important for us to scream at TNT “YOU’RE WRONG” and forget to call the CC or to go to City Hall next Tuesday? Hell no. But the LAST thing we need is for the already confusing mess of information to get even more confusing because the announcers on our lone national TV game can’t get their facts right.
It definitely deserves an apology. And it does hurt our cause. This shit is confusing Sacramento enough already, and shrugging this off as nothing is not the right thing to do.
LightningStrike5 - February 11, 2012
Well said, webber talks alot about loving this city and team,
knows there is is a huge arena/relocation issue and if im not mistaken, he has in the past boasted to the media that he was trying to help with the new ESC by donating money and anything else he can do. Can anyone say what C-Webb has actually done to help? I havent seen any posts about him spearheading shit. What I have seen is edm7, TZ and other folks from STR working their asses off trying to spread awareness about these issues . Now THATS loving this city and team.
9K1NGS6 - February 11, 2012
actually webber made a correction and said we got the wring info
Somewhere along the lines. I think it was in the 3rd or beginning of the 4th quarter when he said it.
jayzfelon - February 11, 2012 via mobile
Webber still didn't get the information right. Two wrongs don't make a right.
Slam_Dunk - February 11, 2012
Huh?
He didn’t give any new information. He just said even though he was incorrect about the last vote (and by the way sure sounds like his personal opinion had nothing to do with the recent vote regardless) he still was worried there needs to be a miracle.
How is that a second wrong?
wallywagon11 - February 11, 2012
A no vote on a vote
is what happened Tuesday. I would expect that before you talk about something on national tv you would educate yourself… but that didn’t happen.
It will not impact the final outcome of if an arena is built or not. I just think our senses are all at a peak considering the closeness of the vote and proximity to March 1.
We will get this thing done by continually removing obstacles and that is the process we have been in since last spring. This is just a small challenge compared to the others.
KingsFanNoMatterWhat - February 11, 2012
Never was a webber fan
He should of said he made a mistake to grant and it would of been cool….but no being the chump chris is he thinks he is beyond saying i made a mistake.the whole thing sucks and tnt and weber etc.should tell sacramento we messed up.they won’t so f—k em.now lets go and beat the suns tonight!!!!GO KINGS!!
cowboyron96@yahoo.com - February 11, 2012
Exactly!
dspohn55 - February 11, 2012 via mobile
TZ - I agree with much of what you said, but not all of it.
In terms of the priorities here in Sacramento, the misstatements by TNT are no big deal. There is business to be taken care of here in town. It would have been nice if C-Webb were a little better informed so the TNT crew could have included our situation in some of their commentary during the game in a more favorable vein. But, in the end, it is our fight, not C-Webb’s nor TNT’s.
But here is the thing; you said:
That’s the thing. Those NBA fans include people sitting at home watching the game on television all across the country; it also includes players, coaches, GM’s, NBA executives, etc., listening to this, believing the Sacramento Kings are leaving, that Sacramento has lost its fight to keep them here.
I don’t think any one of us has a crystal ball of how this is all going to play out in the days, weeks, and months ahead. We sure couldn’t have predicted what happened last season. Very few of us could have predicted we would still have a team here today.
There is a political mine field out there, where some of this could be played out. Other cities are vying to bring a team to their town. I would have liked TNT coverage to show that the fans of Sacramento were not only showing a force at the arena Thursday night, but are taking steps to keep the team here. I fear their commentary will leave a lot of people around the league scratching their heads about the current events in Sacramento. I fear other towns might see as an opening to get our team.
I would have much preferred a front of a community working to Get It Done, than one of a community trying to keep up a good front to a losing cause. Momentum is a palpable force when it occurs in a game. It can influence the outcome of a game. We are in a game right now, down to the fourth quarter.
I worry that it will matter
Slam_Dunk - February 11, 2012
If you think the people that matter in the league are basing their opinions on this from a TNT broadcast booth
I dunno what to say. I also don’t see what it matters whether other towns might see it as an opening to get our team … unless this was some alternative world where whatever Chris Webber says immediately turns into reality.
And if you are going to worry about momentum, that mistake wouldn’t be what kills it.
wallywagon11 - February 11, 2012
I think the bigger problem is the Kings fans watching
Who don’t know everything that we do. The last thing we need is for Sacramento to start giving up again.
LightningStrike5 - February 11, 2012
read a newspaper or visit Sactownroyalty or listen to the radio
this isn’t that terribly complicated
wallywagon11 - February 11, 2012
Ignorance is easy
Obviously so, since it was fans that told Webber everything incorrect.
You can’t shrug off ignorance, unfortunately.
LightningStrike5 - February 11, 2012
Ignorance is a choice
The correct information is out there. As long as you’re not going to the sacbee comments section, you’ll find it eventually.
Unfortunately, you have to make the effort do that. For most people, it’s much easier to have someone else tell you what to think and feel.
AngryTree - February 11, 2012
I agree with you 100%
But it’s hard enough to get people to pay attention to the real facts (IE – see Fox News, or the Sac Bee comments), and so we can’t just ignore it and say “well, it’s not important” when important events/new sources – like the Kings lone national TV appearance – get the info wrong.
In the perfect world, all the viewers in Sac/the area would have known that info was wrong. But most don’t, as evident by the fact that fans at the game told Webber the arena was doomed. It’s not something we can ignore.
LightningStrike5 - February 11, 2012
I don’t want to ignore it, that’s for sure. I’d love to see TNT give Chris some time next Thursday so that he can clarify the situation (assuming someone can give him the correct info without being an asshat about it *cough*Peaches*cough*). I don’t think you would find anyone here that would disagree with that.
But, in the long run, what people in Sac who are ignorant about what’s going on with the ESC doesn’t matter, because they were never going to be involved anyway. If they were, they already would have educated themselves about the issue. If anything, this may have been a slight boost to the cause, because now they think that we’re almost doomed, and they may feel motivated to take action.
In the end, I do think this TNT thing will be a non-issue. When we’re standing in line waiting to get in to the first game in the new building, we’re going to be talking about #HereWeStay, and the Burkle Bomb, and Sheedy playing politics, and how those things really mattered. If someone brings up Webber on TNT, we’re all going to laugh about how serious everyone thought it was at the time.
AngryTree - February 11, 2012
The TNT broadcasters were obviously ill-informed. We know that because we live here and we try to stay on top of it.
They are journalists. If they can’t be on top of it, why would you think others around the league are going to be better informed than the journalists who report it. They are assuming these guys have some basis to the facts they report.
Slam_Dunk - February 11, 2012
Again, if you think the people that matter in the league are basing their opinions on this from a TNT booth
I dunno what to say. Okay, they are part of the media (I dunno if they are journalists or not but whatever). I am pretty sure there is this thing called the “Relocation Committee” that might base their written findings and their votes on things other than “Hey let’s put in that tape of that Kings Thunder game.” Call me crazy for thinking it’s slightly more professional that. I know, hard to believe.
wallywagon11 - February 11, 2012
sorry not votes but how they access relocation fees and then present to the other owners the situation
and I am also pretty sure those other owners don’t just watch TNT games and get their business opinions from Chris Webber.
wallywagon11 - February 11, 2012
It is pretty clear that you and I have a different point-of-view on this issue.
So, I will agree to disagree with you on my statements made above.
Slam_Dunk - February 11, 2012
so you honestly think the Clay Bennett's of the world in their ownership meetings base their votes and their assessments of what to do on this issue
on what Webber and Reggie Miller say? Wow, that’s … something.
wallywagon11 - February 11, 2012
Drawing inferences:
So you take my words:
I fear their commentary will leave a lot of people around the league scratching their heads about the current events in Sacramento.
To: The Clay Bennett’s of the world in their ownership meetings base their votes and their assessments of what to do on this issue on what Webber and Reggie Miller say?
Wow that is some thing. You just went from 10 mph to 130 mph.
Slam_Dunk - February 11, 2012
I won't bother you with the definition of "cherry picking" or "mispresentation"
You
And my first response
Who on Earth did you think I was talking about? What the strength coach for the Chicago Bulls? And yes, I know full well you were talking about everyone in the league in general but those aren’t the people that matter at all in this. If the owners who actually vote on this stuff are misinformed that’s when you worry.
wallywagon11 - February 11, 2012
Again - drawing inferences
I don’t expect anyone making important decisions to take one piece of information from TNT to base it on. I am disagreeing with your inference to my words.
I did not imply that people in the league are basing their opinions solely on a TNT broadcast. I certainly did not state or in any way imply that I would expect anyone to make any important decision based on one broadcast.
The conclusions you are drawing are going beyond my statements. Looks who is cherry picking now to make his point.
When I reference people “scratching their heads,” I am not talking about lice. Come on Wally. You know what I mean here, do I have to spell that out for you?
I meant that people might be confused hearing something on TNT, trying to make sense of it. But, when they hear from C-Webb that the team is likely to leave, then they might feel there is something to it.
Slam_Dunk - February 11, 2012
lol
wallywagon11 - February 11, 2012
on what Webber and Reggie Miller say?
haha, if they are like most fans they didn’t even see the screw up.apparently it came during a game break when I was getting snacks or doing something?
The overall opinion most fans got was that the young Kings had a lot of fight in them , that Smart kept them focused, that CWebb looks a lot different these days, that Reggie is still a big fan of basketball, that Sac has a rough road ahead in getting a new arena built ,and that they went away feeling they had a great time watching the game. Oh yeah,and that the bridge looked very cool with the graphics displayed between the towers.
Skeptic con Urquell - February 12, 2012
It won't matter
Those people have absolutely no influence in this decision. The only people that do, have a pretty solid handle on the situation.
Aykis16 - February 11, 2012
And to reiterate
the only few people nationally who do matter will not be influenced by it either.
wallywagon11 - February 11, 2012
I realize they won't have any influence in the upcoming decisions in Sacramento.
So long as everything goes our way, there should be no problem. I’m just concerned if we hit a bump in the road and some of this goes sideways on us. I would just prefer to have all our ducks in a row.
Unfortunately, one “webber” got the wrong message:
Slam_Dunk - February 11, 2012
holy crap
I didn’t realize how strong of a perscription Webber had on his glasses. Are those bifocals?
wallywagon11 - February 11, 2012
another thorn in a kings fan's side
cowboyron96@yahoo.com - February 11, 2012
Let's move on from the vote and the TNT fiasco
However, one thing that is lost on this is how our LOCAL media chose to report the story, which is likely how TNT collected their information. Nearly ever story I read stated that the arena vote “failed”.
Granted, it only took maybe 30 seconds of additional reading to clarify the meaning of “fail” in this context, but I recall many posters here being initially confused with the reports. It would have been nice if our local rags had found a more creative headline for the story that was less misleading/ambiguous. Something like “City Council Votes in Favor of Current Arena Development Process”.
RJinFairOaks - February 11, 2012
it wasn't misleading
it’s just the proposal Sheedy put up failed, that’s all. They usually word it that way.
wallywagon11 - February 11, 2012
I'd like to take a vote on whether the headline was perceived as misleading or not :-)
[you know know that I’m pretty much right with you on this issue, Wally.]
RJinFairOaks - February 11, 2012
i know :)
wallywagon11 - February 11, 2012
You make a good point and something which could be taken into consideration in future reporting.
Slam_Dunk - February 11, 2012
I agree 100%
People can point the finger at the national media, TNT, C-Webb, whomever but even the local media put a negative spin on it.
Jim Crandall of Fox 40 tweeted:
If that is not misleading to outsiders who did not know of the exact proceedings for that afternoon I don’t know what misleading is.
Carmichael Dave was one of the only ones who I thought was fairly clear and even he eventually admitted that it was a swing vote away from death.
I think its clear that most folks local, national, fan or celebrity could have been more clear and had a better understanding.
There is as much blame for the recent confusion on local media as there is national.
WebberDynasty - February 11, 2012
I feel badly for the Kings fans to whom this sort of thing matters
There is always the talk about how a pro sports team can lend to a feeling of civic pride, and to have TNT fumble Sacramento’s lone national appearance so badly, especially when it revolves around an issue as incendiary as the arena, is very unfortunate.
I pay little to no attention to the national media anymore (more accurately, I read/watch them but give their opinions little to no weight), and this will have zero impact on the arena proceedings. in fact, this will probably be filed and forgotten until the next time that TNT ventures into town. But knowing how much this type of thing means to a large number of Kings fans, it’s a shame that it happened.
section214 - February 11, 2012
Peaches is Peaches
The Red Headed Rantser will blow anything out of proportion and beat it worse than a dead horse. I will side with CWebb before I will side with Peaches. CWebb has done more for Sac Town then Peaches could ever do.
CWebb ef’d up along with the cru at TNT. So… so nothing. They did make a weak correction during the 2nd half, so be it. All I know is days later Sacramento is still being talked about, the corrections have be noted all over… we are still in the news.
I am taking some positives out of the mess…
kromeace - February 11, 2012
Red Headed Rantster... wish we could edit
kromeace - February 11, 2012
Editing
on a thread, what a concept! Agreed!
nohops - February 11, 2012
To me, this is the take home message that Ziller writes succinctly and accurately
The “TNT dumb bomb” was a 10 cent firecracker. Most of all, it is history. Time to move on and move forward. When, if, the ESC decision goes through, that good news will erase any doubts and increase the notoriety of Sacramento’s “Back from the dead” resolve.
As for Chris Webber – his actions have trumped any words that the last broadcast have voiced.
betweentheeyes - February 11, 2012
honestly don't know
but what has Webber done for the arena situation? I’ve heard him talk about how he’d like Sacramento to keep the team a couple times on TNT, but is he a financial backer for the HereWeBuild stuff or something?
who betta than kanyon? - February 11, 2012
What cracks me up to no end
is that locally the story here in Sacramento should have been the win against one of the very best teams in the league and the great crowd that showed up and how we saw some of the glory days and even had one of Our Guys in the house for the special game. Nothing Webber screwed up on the arena stuff changes any of that, heck even nationally it doesn’t.
Unfortunately there are too many hours in the day on the local radio. Let’s dedicate hours of programming on “Webber’s the reason Michigan couldn’t win” and “Hey let’s list all of his errors on TV” and “Hey let’s turn this from an error into something entirely personal and embarrass the guy!” And this is a great idea when the guy is actually in town to turn a mistake into an all day personal attack. Super idea. And then Webber gets on the air and he and Grant fight. And instead of putting the fire out and moving on, Grant goes the “Hey let’s get callers in a lather and have them rant on and on about how much of an idiot and failure Chris Webber is and just overall kill the guy” route. Super job.
So congrats on calling out and embarrassing someone who busted his ass for the Kings franchise. Hey, it brings in the ratings right?
wallywagon11 - February 11, 2012
semi-related
But why wasn’t the outcome of game anywhere to be found on the front page of The Bee on Friday morning? When I got home this morning to look at the physical paper, I was shocked.
RJinFairOaks - February 11, 2012
the Kings beating the Thunder is not front page news
Any team can be beat on any given night. However, if that win came during the playoffs, now THAT would be front page news.
who betta than kanyon? - February 11, 2012
I thought the significance of the moment for the community certainly warranted a front-page mention
I’m not talking about 60 point font and a half-page photo, by the way.
RJinFairOaks - February 11, 2012
i see kings on the front page all the time
your point is invalid
JVinci - February 11, 2012
rec'd
ina_118 - February 11, 2012
You are my hero for the day
rec’d
SharkKings49 - February 11, 2012
I'm standing in this line
Rec’d
AngryTree - February 11, 2012
Well stated, wally
otis29 - February 11, 2012
Three cheers for Wally!
Aykis16 - February 11, 2012
You're really twisting what happened
It’s really unfair that people are trying to turn this on Grant and the rest of the radio people, when it was TNT that completely dropped the ball on our only national broadcast, and C-Webb who made it “Chris Webber vs Grant Napear” live on air. Grant was obviously upset about the errors made by the crew, but he never once made a personal attack on C-Webb.
And yes C-Webb deserved to be called out as well as the rest of the broadcast crew yesterday. I am and always will be a big fan of his and am thankful for everything he’s done for the kings and the community, but he’s not an athlete anymore, he’s a part of the media and research is part of his job now. I completely understand if he was given bad information, but as a professional, to arrogantly say “who cares if I got it wrong?” and not be open to correction is complete ignorance.
And no, i’m not a huge Napear fan. He did go a little overboard on the whole situation, but blaming him for this situation and saying he wanted ‘ratings’ is wrong when C-Webb was the one who failed to keep it professional
monsterlxe - February 11, 2012
I can't really blame Webber
He’s been dealing with Napear’s bullshit for over a decade. There’s history involved here, and it’s Grant’s general asshattery and douchebaggery coming home to roost.
Although it might have had the opposite effect. Sounds like Napear’s more interested in fanning the flames for ratings than moving beyond this to more important things. He’s clearly loving the attention this is giving his radio show.
And did I hear that Napear was bitching about people not admitting when they make a mistake? How laughable is that?
otis29 - February 11, 2012
did you bother to listen to 1140 prior to the interview?
and did you bother to notice how after the interview they replayed the Webber rant over and over and did it multiple times and posted it online immediately afterwards? And how Napear’s response every time someone gives him grief for starting flame wars he always responds “Hey, you’re listening to my show aren’t you?”
Have a hard time seeing how it’s getting twisted.
wallywagon11 - February 11, 2012
Yes I did and there were zero personal attacks on C-Webb or his character on Grants show, as you claimed. I did however hear Carmichael Dave and a few of his callers getting somewhat personal, which stemmed from C-Webb completely flaking on Don’s show.
Yes and I thought that was a little overbearing. Like I said, not a huge fan of Grants show, but I assume there were people that wanted to hear the interview that hadn’t already heard it for various reasons.
Like I said, not a big fan of Napear, but it’s not relevant to Webber’s response which is the main focus here.
My question to you is did you listen to the actual interview? With Webber patting himself on the back congratulating himself for ‘putting Sacramento out there’ as if his contributions alone are the reason the Kings are still here? Or dismissing the fact that he got the wrong information about the ESC situation and not being open to being corrected and informed on the situation? Lying that Jodi told him the interview was going to be strictly about his visit back to SAC instead of his errors on the broadcast? Or turning the interview into a personal fued with Grant instead of just keeping it an actual interview?
How is any of this Grants fault? I really need that explained to me
monsterlxe - February 11, 2012
First just pointing it out and I get that you might have not noticed it
But reread what I wrote because I went out of my way to mention “local radio” and “hours of programming” without putting Grant’s name to it because yes it wasn’t Grant. Again, totally understand if you didn’t notice it.
wallywagon11 - February 11, 2012
Yeah I assumed you were implying that it was Grant. My bad on that one
monsterlxe - February 11, 2012
oh no prob I can totally see why you'd have thought that
wallywagon11 - February 11, 2012
As for Webber
no question you can tell immediately he called with an agenda. No question about it he was defensive, ready to rant, and sign off. I’m telling you though that it already got personal given the hours of programming prior. It’s one thing to ask for a correction, it’s entirely different to have your entire day of programming going straight to the gutter and feed the mouth breathers and then have it morph it some great big horrible wrong or betrayal.
wallywagon11 - February 11, 2012
really?
I think this is mostly about people not liking Grant Napear from previous incidents (like bashing Kevin Martin over his injuries). A lot of people were pissed at the TNT crew, so obviously Napear is going to reflect that sentiment. Siding with Napear on one issue isn’t going to kill you people.
who betta than kanyon? - February 11, 2012
Maybe people don't think he's right?
otis29 - February 11, 2012
no, you're right
I guess a lot of people are just saying he’s right, but he was a douche bag about it. Can’t argue with that.
who betta than kanyon? - February 11, 2012
I see where you're coming from
But was Webb listening to any of this? Wasn’t he in a meeting before he called Grants show? How would any personal attacks have contribute to Webbers rant if there’s no proof he was listening prior to the interview with Grant? And if he was listening, did the radio personalities and callers get so personal that Webber was forced to respond the way he did? The worst I heard before the interview was dave mentioning the Michigan scandal as an example to illustrate his positives and negatives. No one ever said he wasn’t appreciated or loved here. No questioned his love for this city or his intentions. People just wanted to know how the crew got all the wrong information on national tv. Don’t see anything wrong with that personally
monsterlxe - February 11, 2012
Regardless, nobody forces Webber to do anything
but considering he was in town at least in the morning and has friends still and Sac who he probably was just with the night before or even Friday morning, let’s just say I have a hard time believing he didn’t hear about what was on the radio or hear it himself. And you can tell he came on with an agenda.
And I didn’t hear everything but I definitely heard a few shows clowning on the guy and heard a little of Grant ranting about it like it was some horrible damaging situation and playing the Kevin Harlan thing (swore I started to hear it a second time when I turned it off but ould be wrong). And even while watching the game I knew this would get blown out of proportion and we’re going to turn an honest mistake that should be corrected (and yeah it was a blatant silly mistake, absolutely) into some huge greviance like he somehow hurt or damaged Sacramento. So I personally can understand why he’d be frustrated and plus past history with Grant trashing him about his knee injury doesn’t help either.
I honestly don’t blame Grant at all for asking the question and have a hard time believing his producers lied to Webber. And Webber clearly acted unprofessionally. Of course, maybe the radio station could have avoided fanning the flames of dumb for awhile until they got Chris on and it probably wouldn’t have been so heated.
wallywagon11 - February 11, 2012
I agree to an extent
I definitely agree that Grant went overboard with constantly replaying the Harlan interview and there was a little too much TNT talk and not enough on the actual game.
If Webb was listening to that, I could imagine him getting somewhat upset, but the straight up truth is that he got the wrong information. As a part of the media, he didn’t do his job. No he’s not a journalist or a reporter, but he, along with the the rest of the TNT crew, presented false information that a national audience believed as fact. Grant overemphasized it, but never turned it into a personal attack against Webber.
Also, I don’t think the radio people expected Chris to react the way he did, which is why they had him on the day after. I was busy most of Wednesday and Thursday, so I didn’t really get to hear much of what was said about him on 1140, but what I do know is that he completely switched on Don’s show after being locked in to make an appearance, without even shooting them a text/call/email on why he couldn’t show up. If this is really the case, didn’t he deserve some sort of criticism? At least for that? I didn’t hear anything slanderous from Dave, Don or the callers, just them talking about how C-Webb’s personality can be inconsistent at times, confirmed by actual examples. Is there really anything there for him to be upset about there?
monsterlxe - February 11, 2012
Agreed!
dspohn55 - February 11, 2012 via mobile
I'd have to disagree. I think Grant was pretty harsh towards TNT and C-Webb.
If C-Webb had caught wind of the stuff that Grant was spewing. I don’t see how he could not get offended by it. Yes, TNT messed up, but was it really necessary to spend the entire show on it? Asking people to call in and talk about how much the TNT telecast sucked How C-Webb should be ashamed of himself for being wrong on the arena issue.
I would’ve much rather Grant said that TNT messed up, but the important people know the truth. I want people to call in and talk about their experiences at the game/watching the game, etc.
ina_118 - February 11, 2012
Going to the game - amazing
Experiencing the black out moment with everyone – amazing
Cheering for the team – amazing
Watching our players get under the skin of the Thunder – amazing
Watching our team win – amazing
Coming hope to watch the taped game and listen to TNT commentators – disappointing
Slam_Dunk - February 11, 2012
^coming home
Slam_Dunk - February 11, 2012
I call shenanigans
IF Grant really wanted to clear up the mess he could have actually spoken to Chris at the game, spoken to Reggie, spoken to the Kings PR people. There is no part of me that does not think Grant was taking an opportunity to setup his radio moment. Let’s not forget he even posted that night that he would be “Going off with a full head of steam” the next day.
He was promoting a show. His interest was in his own career at that very moment, not the Kings, not the arena. I actually don’t care one way or the other for Grant he is a shock-jock style of sports show host and I accept him as such. I do think he fights hard for the Kings and for Sacramento and takes great pride in the area. BUT I do feel 100% yesterday was about his show and his career moreso than anything else. Had he been more interested in the message he could have texted C-Webb and given him the explanation of the misunderstanding and then gone from there.
Webber screwed up. TNT screwed up. The Kings PR screwed up. The mayor’s PR screwed up. Grant took care of his own and boosted his ratings.
WebberDynasty - February 11, 2012
All of that negative energy produced by both of them?
After reading the blog post and comments, I expected Napier to have actually done something to incite Webber’s belligerence. He didn’t. Webber acted like a little child and I have no problem with him being called on it.
who betta than kanyon? - February 11, 2012
First of all I really appreciate Webber and what he has done for the Kings.
However, of all the people on the TNT crew he should have known the facts prior to saying anything about the vote by the council. And I did not like his comment about a miracle needed for the Kings to remain in Sacramento. He should present a more positive attitude. The TNT reporters, even though they were former NBA players, should have known what they were talking about prior to opening their mouths. Also the after game TNT program really ticked me off listening to Shaq say the only reason the Kings won was because they were fired up playing on national TV. Kenny Smith wasn’t any better. The whole thing was just turrible. The phone call, just forget about it. It was also turrible.
Bill2 - February 11, 2012
It's nice to see that although microfracture surgery robbed C Webb of his lateral quickness
he still has just enough left to side step accepting blame.
Mike Garza - February 11, 2012
Napier is the Maloofs' BEYOTCH and I am sure they were PO
Natomaser - February 11, 2012
The real news here
is that Grant claims he is “human”.
rubenho - February 11, 2012
As a human myself
I take offense to that statement.
betweentheeyes - February 11, 2012
Here is a fresh thought...
How about knowing that this is your one moment of national television exposure this season and seeking out the TNT folks, the talent, etc and advising them of the current status and having a positive conversation so they actually know the real facts as the Kings see them.
Its obvious the information relayed by TNT was wrong. But its not surprising. I feel like every day in Sacramento I hear misinformation. Hell everyday you listen to 1140 somebody calls in and makes a 100% false comment like “I’m against the arena because it is coming from my taxes” or “I’m against supporting a new arena for the Maloofs who will then keep 100% of the profits from all events we paid for.”
The obvious error is on the folks at TNT, but the bigger blunder was that of Sacramento PR folks not informing the on-air talent and TNT production themselves. When you rely on others to deliver a political message do not be surprised by a muddied result.
WebberDynasty - February 11, 2012
Where are the Maloofs in all this? Are they not even bothered, letting the city and the mayor fight just as we are doing with the new arena? Get off the sidelines and get in the game, Joe and Gavin!
dspohn55 - February 11, 2012 via mobile
I'd rather they didn't.
In a few weeks last year, KJ managed to hunt down sponsors that the Maloofs had shunned for no apparent reason. Roughly ten million dollars worth annually. Roughly the same amount of extra money the Maloofs claimed they could earn from relocating to Anaheim in a piss-poor loan deal in an already-saturated market. With that kind of ineptitude, I’m glad they’re sitting on the sidelines watching. Let the city council and the NBA hammer this out and the Maloofs will simply be forced to accept whatever they come up with with no chance for them to step in and screw things up.
jveezy - February 11, 2012
Exactly
Nothing good can come from Joe and Gavin getting involved. They have the bizarro Midas Touch where everything they touch turns to shit. They’re toxic, and I’m perfectly fine with them frosting their tips while the grown ups are talking.
Mike Garza - February 11, 2012
Seriously?!?
This is still going on?!?
I hate Grant Peachier
prowseinthehouse - February 11, 2012
The thing about this whole situation is
WEBBER WANTED TO BE POSITIVE. That’s why he got so angry. He got a phone call from The Napear show asking him to come on, he assumed it was going to be talking about how great the game was, how well the team played, how great it was to have Webber back in the building, how great the atmosphere was, and Napear just tried to shanghai him with a gotcha.
Webber got pissed for the same reason why Ziller is upset.
Neil Manich - February 11, 2012
FORMAL APOLOGY BY TNT
This was not a rant only. TNT national broadcast was the biggest and best chance to get national exposure on the success the mayor’s office has had. If they had done even the smallest amount of research regarding the possible ballot initiative that took place last week they would have known that the vote was a success. This would have taken two seconds…given the amount of work he has put into this process, Napear has good right to be angry. Reggie Miller paid even more disrespect to this hard work by saying that Kevin Johnson was doing political posturing. He was trying to cover the stupid remarks and questions drawn by his sister. NONE OF THEM HAD A CLUE WHAT WAS GOING ON! TNT should issue a formal apology, no question.
DantheKingsfan - February 12, 2012
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